dicklont Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 [hv=v=n&s=sat72hqtdqjcak953]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]Do you open 1NT, 1C or something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1♣. Treat the hand as a 13 count (maybe even a 12 count). One of the reasons for opening most 15, 16 and 17 counts 1NT is that they are difficult to bid if you open them one of a suit. This hand has no such problem. After opening 1♣ you have an easy 1♠ rebid. With all of the quackiness in the red suits, no one would accuse you of underbidding the hand. Now, if you had this hand: QJxx AK Ax QTxxx 1NT would make a lot more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1NT, don't really like it if p's 1st or 2nd bid is 1NT after I opened 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old York Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I insist on a 1NT response to 1♣ to be serious and show 8-10, unless playing inverted minors perhaps Tony Edit: If you normally open 1♣ on garbage hands, then it may be unsafe to open 1♣ here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 I would open 1NT, balanced 13 or 12 count = LOL, and I think the example of a hand where 1NT would make a lot more sense is a worse 1NT opening than the given hand. I guess that covers everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1NT for me. I'd not like 1♣-1♦/♥-1♠-1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 To think my partner will hold the cards to improve both my Qx and my QJ is wishful thinking - although for him to hold Kx(x) in one of the two suits is reasonable. Therefore, my hand is worth around 13-14 unless I get really lucky or really unlucky. AK, A is good but 4522 pretty much sucks as does not holding the Qs and Js in with my longer suits. 1C is automatic to me. I think 1N an overbid even if playing 14-16. Your opinion and mileage may vary. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Normally I don't open 1N with 4-5 in the blacks since I have an easy rebid, but here it makes sense since our red doubletons are pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Ditto Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 gee partner is not allowed to have a red suit king. I have 16, I live in balanced land, I open 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Romania? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1N for me too - if I were to ever play 2/1! There was a time when people were taught to have stoppers for 1N openers - I thought that got dropped about the time the ark hit dry land. It is true that we could end in 3N with an embarassing lack of control in one of the red suits - but the same might happen in a suit contract - and the same might happen to slightly more normal 1N openers too. If we waited for guarantees people would require 8 playing tricks for a preempt! Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1C. And I am not treating this hand as a 12-14 count. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 1nt but I open alot of offshape hands 1nt. One exception would be a hand with a 5 card major and xx in a side suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Some years ago, I played in a few events with a partner who was new to me but someone I knew had heard of him. One of the first things he told me was that I must ALWAYS count 0 HCP for a doubleton Queen. If I had a doubleton Queen, I must count it as 0 HCP. I questioned him about it, giving him some balanced hands with doubleton Queens, and he dismissed them all. In discussing this with others, I referred to this as "NAME's Rule." I am not going to name him, but you get the idea. This person is not yet 90 years old. I do not know for sure if he has ever won a bridge tournament, but I see his name in the list of entries quite frequently. He and I finished out of the overalls in one event we played. We also finished out of the overalls in another event. Oh, the hand? 1NT of course. Also LOL at the idea of treating it as a balanced 12 or 13. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I am somewhat surprised that no one has pointed out that this hand is a 7-loser hand, not what one would anticipate from a 1N opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston. There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers. I have no idea what the source of this thinking is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Obv treat this as an 11 count, and then downgrade for the poor shape, and downgrade a bit for the lack of spot cards. I treat this as about 9.7. Opening this seems like a huge overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 If you got rid of the two T and the 9 then maybe I'm closer to not opening 1NT. If you eliminate the two T and the 9 and the J, then I might not open 1NT. As is, I bid 1NT and I don't feel bad about it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston. There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers. I have no idea what the source of this thinking is. So what do they do with hands like Axxx Axx Axx Axx? That's 8 losers from what I've been told, 1 more than the hand in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston. There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers. I have no idea what the source of this thinking is. So what do they do with hands like Axxx Axx Axx Axx? That's 8 losers from what I've been told, 1 more than the hand in question. With that, they downgrade for having 4 aces, and then for being 4333 so open 1C then rebid 1N :P . ps I also open the OP 1N, won't be comfortable with some auctions after 1C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I am surprised that someone counted the losers of a 1NT opening but I am not surprised that it is Winston. There's a little cult of LTC fanatics that think a 1N opening is supposed to have 6 losers. I have no idea what the source of this thinking is. So what do they do with hands like Axxx Axx Axx Axx? That's 8 losers from what I've been told, 1 more than the hand in question. No, an ace subtracts one and a half loser unless it's sec so that's 6 losers. Anyway, of course the rule is not a good criterion for opening, but maybe it makes some sense for responder to assume appr. 6 losers when deciding whether to bid game after having found a fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 LTC is quite a reasonable tool once you've found a fit. But to use it to decide about NT openers is using a screwdriver to tighten a nut. Counting doubleton queens as 0hcp, at least when opening, is taking pessimism too far. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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