gwnn Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Hi Has anyone tried 1x-1... (even 1S-1N)3x=forcing (i.e. something like an acol 2)? a (knowledgeable) partner of mine claims it's a very good agreement. With a classical jump you either bid 2x, 2NT, 3NT, or 3x anyway. Partner is supposed to raise 2x on a bit less than he used to. I was a sceptic and refused to agree to it, but I'm curious about other people's experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Actually, I'm using 1x 1y3x = non-forcing 1x 1y2NT = strong 2 in x It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Just a thought: the 2m rebid should then deny a minimum hand that would be embarrassed to play 3m opposite a minimum invite and a misfit. I.e. the suit must be very good, or the hand must be strong enough to accept a (light) invite. With a minimum with a mediocre 6-card, rebid 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Actually, I'm using 1x 1y3x = non-forcing 1x 1y2NT = strong 2 in x It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19. Or Mexican 2♦ or better yet 2♣ 18-19 BAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 We play 1M 1NT3M as forcing invites go through 2♣ Gazilli. 1x 1y3x = limited but three cards in y 1x 1y2NT = unlimited forcing without three cards in y 1x 1y3NT/4x = are both three cards in y better than 3x depending on how much you want to go past 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19. Or Mexican 2♦ or better yet 2♣ 18-19 BAL Right. But it is totally out of the question :) I need 2♣ and 2♦ as natural preempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 However Nuno, you could play the 2NT rebid as 18-19, OR strong 2, with 3C now a relay. Pepsi and partner played this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 It works fine. You just have to open 2NT as 18-19. Or Mexican 2♦ or better yet 2♣ 18-19 BAL Right. But it is totally out of the question :) I need 2♣ and 2♦ as natural preempts. of course you do my bad :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 However Nuno, you could play the 2NT rebid as 18-19, OR strong 2, with 3C now a relay. Pepsi and partner played this. That is one of the possibilities, yes. However, I try to keep "tutti-fruti" bids to the minimum possible :) One minor problem with this is the bid is forcing. Responder can't pass 2NT with a bare min (as in, 4 or 5 hcp), which he might wish to do if he knew 2NT was the flattish variant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I have been advocating a jump rebid in a minor suit as forcing for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 It seems silly to me. At the table I always used to say I have never seen a 'fake jump shift' work out badly, ever. At least that's what I used to say until last weekend when my opponents had this auction: 1♥ 1NT3♦ 4♦4♥ 6♦6♥ And opener had QJ9 AQT8xx AK Qx with responder holding x - T987xxx AKJxx. Obviously if you make a bid on a dumb hand for it, then do silly things later, no bid will work out well. I hardly blame the method... The costs of playing the 3m rebid game forcing, as well as the reduced frequency, make it a very bad method imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I wouldn't know what to do with a 6331 16-count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I think it's terrible unless you play an artifical 2♣ rebid (or 2♦ after you opened 1♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevek Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 It seems silly to me. At the table I always used to say I have never seen a 'fake jump shift' work out badly, ever. At least that's what I used to say until last weekend when my opponents had this auction: 1♥ 1NT3♦ 4♦4♥ 6♦6♥ And opener had QJ9 AQT8xx AK Qx with responder holding x - T987xxx AKJxx. Obviously if you make a bid on a dumb hand for it, then do silly things later, no bid will work out well. I hardly blame the method... The costs of playing the 3m rebid game forcing, as well as the reduced frequency, make it a very bad method imo.If diamonds were 2-2, 3♦ worked very well, up to a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinDIP Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 In KS (Kaplan-Sheinwold) opener's jump rebid in his opening suit is GF except after a 1N response. With GI hands O reverses into strength (not always length). This is a long-established method, used successfully in major North American and world championships for many years. It's not so popular now but there remains a core of adherants. (If you're interested in KS as a system then join the KS discussion group on Google.) David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 I'm playing a jump rebid in a major as forcing in one partnership. We play intermediate 2 bids (9-14) in the majors, though, so we can afford to make 1♥-1♠-2♥ the hands that would normally jump to 3♥ in standard, and, subsequently, 1♥-1♠-3♥ as forcing. The jump rebid hasn't come up in the three months we've been playing it, nor has the jump shift auctions that are the auctions that gain on clarity. The intermediate 2 bids, however, have been a big winner, as we have been getting 500s & 800s in part score hands when opps have taken the wrong moment to intervene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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