Good Spade Fit

[skjaeran]

If 3 ♣ is a singelton after a jacoby raise, it is still one after a jacoby raise after an opponents bid. You may discuss that jacoby is not the best use for 2 NT anymore, or that you want a sepcific set of rules but without discussion there is no change.

You are saying without discussion 1♥ (2♦) 2NT is still jacoby, game forcing heart raise? Strongly disagree.

Probably depends on where you play.

 

Over here most play 2NT as inv+ heart raise.

[jdonn]

If 3 ♣ is a singelton after a jacoby raise, it is still one after a jacoby raise after an opponents bid. You may discuss that jacoby is not the best use for 2 NT anymore, or that you want a sepcific set of rules but without discussion there is no change.

You are saying without discussion 1♥ (2♦) 2NT is still jacoby, game forcing heart raise? Strongly disagree.

Probably depends on where you play.

 

Over here most play 2NT as inv+ heart raise.

I can believe there are places where it's standard as a heart raise. I doubt there are places where it's standard as a game forcing heart raise.

[mtvesuvius]

If 3 ♣ is a singelton after a jacoby raise, it is still one after a jacoby raise after an opponents bid. You may discuss that jacoby is not the best use for 2 NT anymore, or that you want a sepcific set of rules but without discussion there is no change.

You are saying without discussion 1♥ (2♦) 2NT is still jacoby, game forcing heart raise? Strongly disagree.

Probably depends on where you play.

 

Over here most play 2NT as inv+ heart raise.

I can believe there are places where it's standard as a heart raise. I doubt there are places where it's standard as a game forcing heart raise.

I generally play it as a GF ♥ raise, making the Cuebid as Invitational, however, I don't think this is standard... at least not in the US.

[Codo]

If 3 ♣ is a singelton after a jacoby raise, it is still one after a jacoby raise after an opponents bid. You may discuss that jacoby is not the best use for 2 NT anymore, or that you want a sepcific set of rules but without discussion there is no change.

You are saying without discussion 1♥ (2♦) 2NT is still jacoby, game forcing heart raise? Strongly disagree.

I did not, but he did. (What after 1H-(1S)-Jac2NT-(pas)-3C; is 3C still singleton?)

 

And when he plays that 2 NT is still Jacoby and did not discuss more details, then he should stick to the rules he have. sSometimes you have to point out the obvious...

[jdonn]

You're right I see it now, missed it before.

[Mbodell]

I was in the same situation and decided to bid 4♦.. Good we discussed these kind of jumps a few rounds before :). I thought it was the ideal hand to make this kind of descriptive bid.

 

Now the bidding continued:

 

1♠ - (2♥) - 4♦ - (4♠)

5♥ - (Pass) - ?

 

What do you do now? Does 5♥ deny a club control? Does it deny a first round ♣ control? Does it ask for a ♥ control? Or is it just a general slam try?

 

(Sorry for hijacking your topic.. but think it's quite related)

If the 5♥ bid was made over 4♦ with no 4♠ I'd play it as xx in hearts and the rest covered and bid 7♠. But once they bid 4♠ this is off and needs to be a cue or general slam try I think. I'm not sure what partner needs, and maybe my ♥ void is enough, but given the earlier 4♦ and given the opponents bidding I think I just bid 5♠.