kgr Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 [hv=d=n&s=sjxxxxhdkqxxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]1♠-(2♥)-??- What do you bid now?- What would 4♦ be in your system (After opps overcall, can you splinter in another suit?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I bid now 4♠ + 5♠. 4♦ would be a fit bid (spades+diamond side suit). This particular hand could use that gadget if I felt like it :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 4♦ should be fit jump, 4♥ should be splinter. I bid 4♦ since I want partner to take a good decision if opps go to 5♣ or 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 3D fit-non-jump. I'd be happy if partner quit over 3H fearing 4H on and 4S fails. Actually I have transfer-advances here so 3C ->D and S-raise next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I play 4♦ is fitted, but I would bid 4♠ anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 3D fit-non-jump. I'd be happy if partner quit over 3H fearing 4H on and 4S fails. Playing fit non-jumps here seems almost unheard of to me. I'd bid 4♦ for sure. What's the rush to 4♠? We might have slam on! Furthermore if and when they bid 5♥ nobody's going to know what to do when my partner or I bids 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 4♦ now... I'll await developments on later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Never make a fit bid when we have spades and they have hearts. Well, almost never, but this hand doesn't quite qualify as an exception. 4D is much more likely to help them find 5H or 5C, than to help us decide whether to bid 5S over 5H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Never make a fit bid when we have spades and they have hearts. Well, almost never, but this hand doesn't quite qualify as an exception. 4D is much more likely to help them find 5H or 5C, than to help us decide whether to bid 5S over 5H. Hehe I agree with the general point, but I was going to post this hand is a perfect exception. We are just so long in diamonds and have so much offense that I feel the need to involve partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 4♦, really seems like the hand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 4♦. Whenever I decide to bid game instead of making a fit bid, it doesn't work, so I've stopped doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 4D for me too. The question is not what we are going to do over 5H. It is what we are going to do over 6H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 4D fit jump. Good hand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 4♦. I'd rather have one less diamond for this bid since I'm not sure I'll respect a double of 5♥. To me, involving partner is paramount, so 4♠ is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 4♦. I'd rather have one less diamond for this bid since I'm not sure I'll respect a double of 5♥. To me, involving partner is paramount, so 4♠ is out. Well when I'm partner of course! Just to show I respect Phil's judgment, I would bid 4♦ as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 4D for me too. The question is not what we are going to do over 5H. It is what we are going to do over 6H. If you bid 4D, certainly. I plan to get doubled in 5S :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downagain Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I was in the same situation and decided to bid 4♦.. Good we discussed these kind of jumps a few rounds before :). I thought it was the ideal hand to make this kind of descriptive bid. Now the bidding continued: 1♠ - (2♥) - 4♦ - (4♠)5♥ - (Pass) - ? What do you do now? Does 5♥ deny a club control? Does it deny a first round ♣ control? Does it ask for a ♥ control? Or is it just a general slam try? (Sorry for hijacking your topic.. but think it's quite related) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I think this should deny a club control, but I don't really know if pard means it as such. What I do know is my hand is a min fit-jump and my controls are a bit lacking. Thus, 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I was in the same situation and decided to bid 4♦.. Good we discussed these kind of jumps a few rounds before :). I thought it was the ideal hand to make this kind of descriptive bid. Now the bidding continued: 1♠ - (2♥) - 4♦ - (4♠)5♥ - (Pass) - ? What do you do now? Does 5♥ deny a club control? Does it deny a first round ♣ control? Does it ask for a ♥ control? Or is it just a general slam try? (Sorry for hijacking your topic.. but think it's quite related) I have 0 keycards and partner cuebid the suit I'm void in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Thanks aal for the answers.I was only given this hand and was asked what I would bid.Additional questions:- Is it correct that experts - after opps overcall - don't splinter in a 3th suit? Jumps are fit then?- What after 1H-(1S)? What after 1H-(1S)-Jac2NT-(pas)-3C; is 3C still singleton?- Only the actual hand both sides can make 5 and both sides only go down in 6 after a specific lead. We have to lead ♦ against 6H and opps have to lead ♣ against 6S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 I think that most experts prefer fitjumps in new suits. But if you and your partner want to continue to play splinters even in side suits, that is just slightly inferior. After 1 ♥ (1♠) has 3 ♣ many different meanings. I doubt that there is a consensus, but guess for the majority it is a fitjump. TO me it is a strong jump, because 2 club had been non forcing and I want not to double with strong onesuiters here. But this is not mainstream at all. (But I like it). If 3 ♣ is a singelton after a jacoby raise, it is still one after a jacoby raise after an opponents bid. You may discuss that jacoby is not the best use for 2 NT anymore, or that you want a sepcific set of rules but without discussion there is no change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Is it correct that experts - after opps overcall - don't splinter in a 3th suit? Jumps are fit then? Please note that even world class experts very often disagree strongly with how a particular hand should be bid. There are situations where there's an action one might call a "standard", but those don't happen all the time. Perhaps even not most of the time!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 No splinters except in their suits is a very intelligent and useful agreement, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyc0002002 Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 Is 4♦ showing too much defensive strength?If partner double their five something. I don't think I will pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 15, 2009 Report Share Posted May 15, 2009 If 3 ♣ is a singelton after a jacoby raise, it is still one after a jacoby raise after an opponents bid. You may discuss that jacoby is not the best use for 2 NT anymore, or that you want a sepcific set of rules but without discussion there is no change. You are saying without discussion 1♥ (2♦) 2NT is still jacoby, game forcing heart raise? Strongly disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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