Hanoi5 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 They're vulnerable, you're not: ♠AKJ9♥5♦J875♣KJ74 It goes: Pa 1♥ Pa ??? You:a. 1♠b. 1NT (forcing)c. 2♣d. 2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Initially, this seems like a WTP 1♠. However, as I think this through, I can see some problems possibly lurking. For the sake of arguments, let's assume a 2♣ start and think through what could happen. If partner bids 2♠ or 2♦, you are reasonably well-positioned. If partner raises clubs, you feel OK also. If partner rebids 2♥, your move of 2♠ is also acceptable. Whatever I can predict, you seem fairly well positioned to find fits right and to explore slams right and the like. Compare this, however, with a 1♠ start. I could see a couple of problems cropping up. What if partner, for instance, bids a minor? You'd have a fit, but showing a GF with support low enough to let partner know this without bypassing 3NT is tricky. If partner jumps in a minor, you think you like that, but his minor could be semi-manufactured because of long hearts and extras, and you are kind of tweener as far as your holding and trick-taking expectancy. I'm not sure if everyone would agree, but I personally don't really feel comfortable with my "what next" after any minor bid by partner. What if partner raises spades? That also sounds nice, but partner could well have 3514 or 3541, which causes problems itself. You try 2NT, but some minor might get lost in this and might be ideal. What if partner has the 3514/3541 shape and extras? This gets even more messy, potentially. So, although 1♠ seems like the "right" bid, I often actually violate by bidding 2♣ with this pattern when I have a COV in 4-4 blacks and 4144 shape, just because I feel better about what I should do whatever partner does next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 They're vulnerable, you're not: ♠AKJ9♥5♦J875♣KJ74 It goes: Pa 1♥ Pa ??? You:a. 1♠b. 1NT (forcing)c. 2♣d. 2♦ 1s no problem yet/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 WTP 1♠ Despite Ken's long lawyerly list of possible disasters, for me the only auction that could be unclear is a 2♦ rebid by partner. Over this I will 4th suit with 3♣, and pass 3NT, potentially missing a better game or slam in diamonds, but usually working out OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 1♠. Obvious Rexford 2♣. Frankly I can't imagine him doing anything with =4♠, <4♥, and <5♦. I would bet he'd want to do it with 51(34) as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 1♠ for me. I would consider 2♣ with this shape sometimes, but not with these suit qualities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Ditto Mark Dean. If partner rebids 2D I will bid 3NT, not 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 2♣ for me. I think almost all auctions are easy after that, whereas about half partner's rebids give me problems after starting 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Agree with Phil ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Well, 7 votes for 1♠. The tray goes back and forth: Pa 1♥ Pa 1♠Pa 2♣ Pa ??? Your choices: a. 2♦b. 3♣c. 3♥d. 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 1♠. Obvious Rexford 2♣. Frankly I can't imagine him doing anything with =4♠, <4♥, and <5♦. I would bet he'd want to do it with 51(34) as well. With 4-4-5-0, clear 2♦. With 5-1-3-4, clear 1♠. I'd only bid 2♣ if intended as natural or as artificial with a fit for opener's major. With a COV 4-1-4-4, I might show 4♠/5♣ because it works better, IMO. Just noticed that Josh agrees. Hah! Anyway...waiting gleefully to see how the 1♠-ers handle the easy 2♣ rebid. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 After 1♥-1♠;2♣, I bid 2♦. If partner bids anything at the two level, I'll continue with 3♣; if he bids 3♣ I'll bid 4♣. In all cases we've exchanged more information than after 1♥-2♣;3♣, but maybe I'm not seeing as deeply as Ken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 i stopped bidding 1♠ on four cards with GF hands and I !h it. Sign me up for 2 ♣, for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Well, 7 votes for 1♠. The tray goes back and forth: Pa 1♥ Pa 1♠Pa 2♣ Pa ??? Your choices: a. 2♦b. 3♣c. 3♥d. 3NT 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 I don't like 1♥-1♠ auctions. Actually, I think it's partner who will hate it more. Especially those awkward hands that are 6♥ 17+ counts and what not, or if the auction goes 1♥-1♠; 2♦-3♣.I think 2♣ will simplify many auctions. If I can bid 2♣ over 1♥ with 2344 GF values, I don't see why I shouldn't bid 2♣ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Andy is better in analyzing bridge situatons then in handling bridgemates.... So I join his bidding ideas: This is an obvious 2♦ followed by 3 (or 4) ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 So far it's been 2 votes for 2♦, 1 vote for 3NT. I'll wait some more hours before continuing the bidding, we can discuss afterwards if we would have arrived at the same contract or a different one with othe bidding and clearly 1♠rs (I belong to that group) should realize by now that there is a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 So far it's been 2 votes for 2♦, 1 vote for 3NT. I'll wait some more hours before continuing the bidding, we can discuss afterwards if we would have arrived at the same contract or a different one with othe bidding and clearly 1♠rs (I belong to that group) should realize by now that there is a problem. It's clearly quite hopeless to rebid 3NT with Jxxx of diamonds, 2♦ is quite obvious after 1♥ 1♠ 2♣. There is no bidding problem at all on that auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 2♦ for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Then we have: Pa 1♥ Pa 1♠Pa 2♣ Pa 2♦Pa 3♣ Pa ??? Your choices: a. 3♦b. 3NTc. 4♣d. Something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Start 2NT. Let partner show if he has a problem with 3NT. Of course 2NT is artificial, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Well, one thing is for sure. In the actual auction, partner has not raised spades, has not rebid hearts, and has rebid clubs. Therefore, it is 100%, IMO, that the auction after a GF 2♣ response would have yielded one of two bids. Opener would either have raised to 3♣ or would have splintered a 3♦ raise of clubs. In either event, Responder's next call will be 3♠. This, with the 2♣ option, on this hand, Opener's next call is one of two options and Responder's next call, either way, is obvious and clear. Plus, we both know what trumps are. That's nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 1♠ first, then 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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