fachiru Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sxxhaj10xxxxdaxcqx&s=saqxxhqxxdxcakxxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]N deals and opens, opps. silent. It went:1♥-2♣2♥-4♦4♥-pass Normally spinters are good tools for slam, was it ill adviced here?Should N like his hand and do more than 4♥ or perhaps S can move on by cue or ace asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 As a general observation, a splinter is not quite sufficient to describe responder's hand. Responder is too strong to just splinter. Furthermore, a one-under splinter is the toughest. 4♦ leaves no room between 4♦ and 4♥ (game) to explore things. Had the splinter been even 4♣, for instance, then Opener would have the ability to bid 4♦ to say, "I'm thinking about it..." 4♦, in contrast, makes Opener go-or-no. Knowing what alternative makes sense requires knowing what you play. 2/1 GF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Hi, No wastage, i.e. I would not worry to much, about missing the slam. I would have bid either 2S or 3H with your hand.Both bids have the advantage, that they keep the bidding lower and alowe opener to describe his hand. Most likely 3H is the better bid, because it simplifies the later auction. 3H gives opener the most room to show #1 no slam interest#2 mild slam interest#3 heavy slam interest And it allowes him, to show side values, in the actual scenario opener can bid 4C as a cue, the Queen is worth a cue, because it is in partners known long suit. It also denies a cue in spades. Now responder can either make another move with 4D, which he most likely should since clubs will produce 4 tricks most of the time, or sign of.Over 4D opener can and should move forward. But 4D is not mandatory. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I think south was too good for the splinter, but that's not why slam was missed. What was north smokin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I think south was too good for the splinter, but that's not why slam was missed. What was north smokin? Well, technically, I would pass with North, at least how I usually play splinters on this sequence (COV in clubs and trumps, with a stiff diamond). Looks like two spade losers off the top. I'd expect Responder to have something like ♠xxx(x) ♥KQx(x) ♦x ♣AKJxx. With good clubs, a stiff diamond, good trumps, and spade control, why not splinter immediately? (Or, use a slower approach?) This sequence seems to scream COV, to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 North has two extra trump, a well-placed queen and nothing wasted. I think 4H is too little. South is too good for the splinter. Especially one-under splinters should not be far from what opener expects. Still, remove the spade queen and the hand is perfect and we would still like to get to the slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Spade queen is awfully generous. How about taking away the club ace, and slam is still good. I think a lot of beginners underestimate the power of extra trump length after a fit is found. It seems that happened to north here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Spade queen is awfully generous. How about taking away the club ace, and slam is still good. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Spade queen is awfully generous. How about taking away the club ace, and slam is still good. LOL Ok, fine, lol at myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I assumed you just meant good compared to some of the slams you have to try to make partnering me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Let's compromise, you can remove both major suit queens and slam is at least as good as 2-1 trumps with 4-2 or better clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 The main problem was that South failed to think about the hand from his partner's point of view... which is a very common failing. It is easy for us to say that North ought to have bid more, and there surely was reasonable safety at the 5-level, but the fault, in my view, lies largely with South, who was looking at the black suit controls...which in turn meant that his partner might be looking at a blizzard in the blacks and still have a good slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Did you change the hand? I think south used to have the heart king instead of the queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 With the king of hearts this would be even more obvious that passing 4 heart waws wrong. But even here: When you splinter with such a strong hand (you shouldn't) you need to bid on. I guess in the long run passing 4 ♥ with this hand is worth then gambling even 7 ♥. (Not that you need to...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 What would be a minimum for 2C then 4D with this shape? Qxxx Qxx x AKxxx? If so, then how much stronger would a maximum be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 What would be a minimum for 2C then 4D with this shape? Qxxx Qxx x AKxxx? If so, then how much stronger would a maximum be? For me, contextually, probably: ♠QJ10 ♥KQxx ♦Q ♣AKJ10x But, my "minimum" would be stronger than yours -- add the club Jack, remove the spade Queen, add the heart King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Option 1: N deals and opens, opps. silent. 1♥-2♣2♥-2♠4♥-4N.... Option 2: N deals and opens, opps. silent. It went:1♥-2♣2♥-4♦4♥-? South shd realize that North is missing both black suit controls, so can't do anything other than bid 4H, and take one more call. 4S or 4N will suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Delayed splinter has a flaw for immediate splinter. Clubs too good, trumps too good/too long, controls too good; or trumps long without top honor, or only Hxx trumps. IE. immediate splinter: trump Kxxx/Axxx and 3-4 controls or trump Qxxx with void and 3-4 controls. Which flaw does opener see? 3x trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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