whats your bid

[jocdelevat]

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ 65432 ♥ AK42 ♦ ♣ QJT9

 

West North East South

 

 1♣    1♦    Pass  ?  

[vuroth]

1♠, prepared to bid 2♥ over 2♦.

 

I think this might be a tougher question if I was weaker, and might be forced to pass a 2♦ rebid.

[mtvesuvius]

1♠, this is a matter of length before strength... I'm planning to rebid 2♥ over 2♦ and throw something at partner after he bids 3♦... ;)

[Old York]

Pass. I expect opener to re-open, and if not 1♦ has a fair chance of taking 7 tricks. I don't think I am missing game by passing

 

Tony

[655321]

1♠ is completely normal.

[helene_t]

Not sure if opener will reopen, given our shortness in diamonds and length in clubs he will often have a balanced 12-14.

 

Anyway, pass may be last chance of avoiding a disaster. I don't think it's unreasonable. I would probably bid 1♠, though.

[Old York]

My main reason for passing is that I expect East's pass to show Diamonds, expecting to pass the re-opening double. Maybe then I can SOS re-double or bid Spades. I do expect disaster if I bid 1♠ immediaely, perhaps 1NT could work?

 

Tony

[mtvesuvius]

My main reason for passing is that I expect East's pass to show Diamonds, expecting to pass the re-opening double. Maybe then I can SOS re-double or bid Spades. I do expect disaster if I bid 1♠ immediaely, perhaps 1NT could work?

 

Tony

Why are you expecting disaster?

 

Partner could easily have a lot of hands where 2M or even game is possible. There is absolutely no reason why partner cannot have 3♠ or 4♥. To pass, means risking 1♦ going down 1 or 2, and 2♠/2♥ or 4♠/♥ making... Either way, you lose 5 IMPs or 11 IMPs.

[Old York]

I have a void in partner's best suit, partner has 8-15hcp and a hand unsuitable for a take-out double

I am not optimistic about making game opposite this bid, or bidding my anaemic Spade suit when partner has denied interest in the majors by failing to double

Bidding on a mis-fit and weak suits is very dangerous

 

Tony

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

With 10 HCP, you should find a bid, actually with 9 HCP,

the void in partners suit is a minus, but 10HCP is still a lot.

 

This gets even more important, if the strength for a simple 1 level

overcall goes up, and this approaches gets more and more popular.

There was a time a overcall was limited to 15HCP, but now the limit

is around 17/18, i.e. if you pass, there is a high risk that you are

missing game.

 

Addionnally, partner is not forced to reopen with a X, if you pass.

 

What to bid is a different question:

 

1H, 1S, 1NT are all valid options, each have its pluses and minuses,

I prefer 1NT slightly, but mostly, because for me

 

#1 a new suit showes a 5 carder (and is nonforcing)

#2 the spade suit is not worth calling a 5 carder

 

If you bid a suit, it is 1S.

If you happen to play, that a new suit is forcing and could be a 4 carder,

1H has something going for it.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[vuroth]

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I don't get downgrading spades to bid NT here. Sure, if I was 5332 with 65432 in spades I'd probably hedge to NT, but with a void outside my spade suit seems much stronger.

 

V

[Old York]

On the traveller, many of the players who reached 4♥ did so by not overcalling with 1♦, most doubled with the West hand

 

♠AT ♥QJ75 ♦AK643 ♣32

 

Not the best double in the world, but it worked this time, or at least it worked for 11 pairs who made 4♥ but not for the 8 pairs who went down in game

 

Tony

 

EDIT: Had we been informed that the scoring was actually MP%, I would not have suggested passing. Any plus score at imps is likely to give you a decent score, but not at matchpoints

[neilkaz]

Passing is absolutely out of the question for me. With a double stop and such weak ♠ I'd like to bid 1NT but perhaps PD will expect a small bit of ♦ support and rebid 2♦.

 

I'll just bid my 5 card ♠ suit .. 1♠

[skjaeran]

Easy 1♠, pass would never ever occur to me. We might easily have game here.

[mtvesuvius]

On the traveller, many of the players who reached 4♥ did so by not overcalling with 1♦, most doubled with the West hand

 

♠AT ♥QJ75 ♦AK643 ♣32

 

Not the best double in the world, but it worked this time, or at least it worked for 11 pairs who made 4♥ but not for the 8 pairs who went down in game

 

Tony

 

EDIT: Had we been informed that the scoring was actually MP%, I would not have suggested passing. Any plus score at imps is likely to give you a decent score, but not at matchpoints

That is why pass is hopeless at IMPs or MPs. Doubling with partner's hand is insane... Guess what! Partner doesn't like playing his 5-0 fit when he has a cold major suit game.

[gwnn]

1♠, 1♠, and 1 spade are all viable alternatives.

[Old York]

Guess what! Partner doesn't like playing his 5-0 fit when he has a cold major suit game.

And 8 pairs registered the only minus scores by failing to make the games that they bid

 

On this hand, partner happened to have the perfect hand with excellent Hearts and a maximum overcall. But most pairs were happy to play in partscores. Even OP played in 2♥ making 2 overtricks and got a good score

Game on a partial misfit is not good odds. There is no urgency to bid borderline games at Pairs

 

Tony

[vuroth]

OP was IMPs, not pairs.

[hanp]

1S, I can't believe people are passing. You might miss game while 1D goes down.

[Old York]

OP was IMPs, not pairs.

True, but as I pointed out earlier, that was a mistake

 

The actual hand was played at matchpoint scoring, and even I would never pass at matchpoints ;)

 

Tony

[mike777]

1s always but given that this was posted in B/I as a honest question and that it generated many responses, good post.

 

 

Good example that what for many is 100% clear for many others of us as B/I is tough.

[Phil]

1♠ is pretty obvious. The overcaller has a 2♥ rebid and game is reached.

 

Don't torture yourself with agonizing over bids like this. Sometimes you'll get dropped in a silly 5-1 spade fit, and sometimes you'll get a little high.

 

Imagine partner's pain as they struggle in a silly 5-0 diamond fit when you are cold for game or slam in spades.

[the hog]

1S. Is this another trick question?

[Old York]

1S. Is this another trick question?

Maybe we were shown the wrong hand and asked the wrong questions?

 

Many Wests Doubled, and the remainder who overcalled 1♦ had a rebid problem over a 1♠ or 1NT reply.

Many pairs failed to find the 4-4 Heart fit which is a disaster at MP

Most pairs were happy to play in partscore (reasonable at MP)

Some pairs went down in game (disaster at MP)

 

Tony

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&w=sathqj75dak643c32&e=s65432hak42dcqjt9]266|100|Scoring: MP

South opens 1♣

how should these hands be bid?

N/S remain silent[/hv]

[helene_t]

Tony, playing modern North American style, partner could easily have more than 15 points. His hand was not a maximum overcall.

 

Double with the West hand is very weird, it wouldn't occur to me even in England, much less with a non-British p.