microcap Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Playing 2/1, you hold [hv=d=w&v=b&s=skq62hadqj10974c64]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Opps all pass. You open 1♦. Partner responds 1♠. What is your rebid choice and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 3s no problem yet. why? I open quite a wide range of one level bids. When I got 4 card support and extras I need to show it. 6-4 and 16 support points, 4 card support, excellent trump cards, etc... I think this is just a bit shy of rebidding 4d or 4s and I leave room for pard to cue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Many people play that 4 of the opened minor after 1m - 1M shows 6m and 4M. IMO this is too weak for that bid. I also play with several people that 3♠ shows a Distrubutional Raise, and that 3♥ is a HCP Raise with 4♥ being a splinter. So I will bid 3♠, which for me would be a distrubutional raise... Without these agreements I will still bid 3♠, but just not as happily. The followup question is? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 2♠ The opps are silent, so partner rates to have a decent to good hand and the last thing I want to do is to suggest more than I have. This hand is NOT the same as KQxx x AQJ10xx xx, as an example. Nor is it as good as KQxx x QJ10xxx Ax. I far prefer to limit my hand and then go nuts when partner asks me how I like my hand, compared to overbidding and then spending the rest of the auction hoping we can stop at a making contract. It helps to have gadgets available. It also helps to play weak notrumps, and that may be influencing my choice here, altho I am trying to bid within the framework of a 15-17 range. When playing 12-14 or so, 2♠ shows the playing equivalent of a strong notrump, so partner will always bid aggressively. More to the point here, I expect partner to bid anyway... so long as he makes some move other than a simple game bid, I expect to be happy with my choice... and even if all he does is 4♠, we haven't taken 12 tricks yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 <snip>When playing 12-14 or so, 2♠ shows the playing equivalent of a strong notrump, so partner will always bid aggressively. <snip> I haven't played a weak NT regularly in a few years, but is this really true? How would you bid after 1♣ - 1♠ with: ♠Kxxx ♥Axx ♦x ♣KQxxx or ♠Kxx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣KQxxx The same way as with: ♠Kxxx ♥AQx ♦Ax ♣KT9x Maybe I just don't understand what is standard there? Anyway, putting that all aside, I think I would bid 3♥ as a mini-splinter if available, although I find it close to being a 2♠ call. I just think we have some pretty good playing strength and should try to show it. I don't think it's the perfect call, as I try to avoid splintering with a stiff A, but I'll view it as my choice from the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 <snip>When playing 12-14 or so, 2♠ shows the playing equivalent of a strong notrump, so partner will always bid aggressively. <snip> I haven't played a weak NT regularly in a few years, but is this really true? How would you bid after 1♣ - 1♠ with: ♠Kxxx ♥Axx ♦x ♣KQxxx or ♠Kxx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣KQxxx The same way as with: ♠Kxxx ♥AQx ♦Ax ♣KT9x Maybe I just don't understand what is standard there? Note I said the playing equivalent of a strong 1N. In the style of weak notrump to which I am accustomed, and I don't pretend this is universal but I think it is common, the single raise promises 4 card support. Yes, I know about the issues that arise, but you will always have a rebid other than the raise (with 3 card support), since with a balanced hand, you'd have opened 1N. And, yes, I know that this is imperfect... but all bidding methods are imperfect. Thus Kxxx Axx x KQxxx is a very solid raise of 1♠: surely we all see that opener has the playing strength of at least Kxxx Kxx QJx AQxx? As for your third example, a control rich balanced 16 count... it is close to a 3♠ raise, which is played as virtually forcing, but I would bid 2♠. This style seems to work very well: responder can use a gadget (2N over 2♠, 2♠ over 2♥) to enquire, and since he is protected by the knowledge of 4 card support and either 15-17 hcp or shape, he can be aggressive in making a game try... certainly, he bids more aggressively than strong notrumpers do after the same sequence, where opener treats Kxxx Axx x KQxxx exactly the same as Kxxx Qxx Kxx Axx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Probably no surprise that I would bid 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 2S also. Yes, I can understand and sympathise with 3S, but the Ds on this hand are not that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Playing 2/1, you hold [hv=d=w&v=b&s=skq62hadqj10974c64]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Opps all pass. You open 1♦. Partner responds 1♠. What is your rebid choice and why? 2♠ -- 3♠ is probably OK, but might get pard too interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I've noticed a tendency to bid 3♠ with shapely min hands like these. I'd bid 2 or 3 depending on tactical factors. Mostly 2 only, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 2♠ why? because 2 1/2♠ not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 3♠ for me. I would not expect partner to move over 2♠ with two big cards. If I were playing a weak NT, I still might bid 3♠. This is a mighty powerful hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 3♠, frankly, didn't even cross my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 2♠. While it is true that it doesn't take too much to make game, it takes a very specific "not too much" to make game. If you bid 3♠, partner will go on to 4♠ with the wrong "not too much" such as: JTxxxKQxKxxxx If one is going to bid to the 3 level, one might as well bid 3♥ as a mini-splinter if that bid is available to you. Partner will properly discount heart honors and secondary club honors and upgrade cards in your two suits and primary club honors. I know that splintering on a singleton ace is usually discouraged, but that is for slam exploration purposes. For game exploration purposes, one wants partner to be able to evaluate the usefulness of honors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Not so easy, overbid or underbid...In these situations I normally prefer underbidding, since I'm then very comfortable if partner moves on. This one is very close though, and I'm undecided. At the table I'd most probably raise to 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I'd han it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 3S. I appreciate the wisdom of 2S but it is wasted on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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