Partner Argued

[mtvesuvius]

All Vul. at IMPs you hold:

 

Axx

x

T

AJT98xxx

 

(1♠) - ?

 

Assume you bid 2♣.

 

(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠

(4♥) - ?

[655321]

I'm a simple soul, I just bid the obvious 5♣.

[the hog]

5C for me.

[mtvesuvius]

Is this directly over 1♠ or after 2♣ first?

[655321]

Is this directly over 1♠ or after 2♣ first?

Nothing wrong with the 2♣ overcall, anyway I was following the instructions 'Assume you bid 2♣' and bidding 5♣ on the auction as given.

[Mbodell]

I agree with bidding 2♣ first round, although I don't hate bidding more clubs then either. I'm now quite happy to bid 5♣.

[rogerclee]

As usual, Adam, you were right.

[hanp]

5C is clear.

[Trinidad]

If we would know what we are doing, I would think this hand is worth a slam try with 4♠. If we are not sure what we are doing, I don't see any reason for partner to start arguing whether we bid 5♣ or take a shot at 6♣.

 

Rik

[helene_t]

(ignore, must have been smoking something while writing this comment).

[mtvesuvius]

Partner bid 2♣, then 6♣. Of course 6♣ was down 3... But the opponents were kind enough not to double. Against any decent opponents they would have. As it was, ♣ were 1-1, and the K♥ was a trick, as was the K♦ and A♠. I had xxx Kxx KQxx Kxx.

[ArtK78]

I don't think a 4♠ bid is out of the question. Sometimes partner has more useful cards for his 2♠ bid.

 

6♣ directly is too much, though.

[vuroth]

I admit, favourable I might have tried an immediate 5♣.

 

Opponents finding a ♥ fit is bad news, in comparison to if they had found a ♠ fit. My ♠ holding looks weaker than it did last round. 5♣ now seems fine.

[kfay]

6♣ is a joke, considering we're far from sure we were even making 5♣.

 

My other (not very considered) option was pass of 4♠.

[mtvesuvius]

Here are a few scenarios... They may still be easy... What do you do?

 

1.

(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠

(4♥) - 5♣ - (Pass) - Pass

(5♥) - ?

 

2.

(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠

(4♥) - 5♣ - (5♥) - Pass

(Pass) - ?

 

3.

(1♠) - 2♣ - (2♥) - 2♠

(4♥) - 5♣ - (5♥) - X

(Pass) - ?

[gwnn]

pass is your friend

[Old York]

I am not certain that 2♠ was the best bid with an aceless, flat hand with 3 kings, but that is probably down to partnership agreement. At least it has the merit of showing some defensive strength

The traveller for this hand produces some unexpected results like 5♣ making twice, and Heart/Spade contracts being mis-defended and also allowed to make

4♥ should fail, and 5♣ is a phantom sacrifice. Look like nobody can make anything on this hand

The top scoring contracts of 3♠x and 4♥ should both have been defeated

 

Tony

[neilkaz]

Your PD's 6♣ blast is a huge joke here. If he has slam desires he can certainly bid 4♠ to ask you if you like your hand for slam.

 

I'd just bid 5♣ with PD's hand and then pass and hope to set with my two aces (perhaps even A♣ cashes) and a trick or two from PD.

[Quantumcat]

If you have a 2C bid to start with, it can't become a 5C bid. 2C vul is already a good hand, by bidding only 2 then more aren't you showing an actual power hand. Much easier to just bid 4C on the 1st go, and be consistent.

[the hog]

If you have a 2C bid to start with, it can't become a 5C bid. 2C vul is already a good hand, by bidding only 2 then more aren't you showing an actual power hand. Much easier to just bid 4C on the 1st go, and be consistent.

Definitely NOT! This hand is not the right texture for 4C.

[jonottawa]

4♠

 

If you criticized your beginner/intermediate partner for 6♣, shame on you. That's a perfectly reasonable beginner/intermediate call that might work on a good day, (either making or as a good sac or to scare the opps from doubling or pushing them to 6) and is the kind of bid I made all the time back when I actually had fun playing this game.

 

If you think the fact that 4♥ goes down is of any relevance whatsoever when it is 100% clear for partner to bid SOMETHING, then shame on you for resulting.

[Quantumcat]

alright, 5C then? You can't argue that the more you preempt the harder your opponents have it. And the larger the variety of hands you include the harder it is for your opponents to declare. I just went down in a 4H contract because I played the 2S opener to have short hearts ... she had 4 (I would have made had I kept all my options open... but you just assume, dont you).

[Cascade]

Normally with an eight card suit and a weakish (less than 10 HCP) I would prefer a pre-empt.

 

With three spades and singletons in both unbid suits 2♣ and two aces 2♣ looks better.

 

After partner invites game I have extra distribution so I bid 5♣. I am still hoping for some good cards though.

[655321]

If you have a 2C bid to start with, it can't become a 5C bid.  2C vul is already a good hand, by bidding only 2 then more aren't you showing an actual power hand. Much easier to just bid 4C on the 1st go, and be consistent.

I prefer the 2♣ overcall here (see this thread for a different hand with 8 clubs), but that is not so important, you could start with more clubs if you like.

 

What is very wrong though is to think that you cannot bid 5♣ having started with 2♣. Partner has made a cue raise, showing a good hand with club support. This is new information we didn't have before. With our eight card suit and 2 Aces, it seems very clear to bid on. Equally, it seems clear not to look for slam, with the opponents both bidding, our relatively few HCP, and a 3 card holding in the suit opened but not supported. So... 5♣.

[the hog]

If you have a 2C bid to start with, it can't become a 5C bid.  2C vul is already a good hand, by bidding only 2 then more aren't you showing an actual power hand. Much easier to just bid 4C on the 1st go, and be consistent.

I prefer the 2♣ overcall here (see this thread for a different hand with 8 clubs), but that is not so important, you could start with more clubs if you like.

 

What is very wrong though is to think that you cannot bid 5♣ having started with 2♣. Partner has made a cue raise, showing a good hand with club support. This is new information we didn't have before. With our eight card suit and 2 Aces, it seems very clear to bid on. Equally, it seems clear not to look for slam, with the opponents both bidding, our relatively few HCP, and a 3 card holding in the suit opened but not supported. So... 5♣.

Agree with the numeric one. (Boy my thinking must be out of whack today).

Cat, I think you misunderstood the cue raise.