jmcw Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Partner and I play 11/14 1NT in the pass out seat. So I bid 1NT with the following: [hv=s=st87hajdkqt32ckt3]133|100|[/hv] After 1♣, P, P, 1NTShould system be on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I believe so... Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted May 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I believe so... Why not?A couple of reasons. Balancer more often will not have good Majors (no DBL) and since partner never O/called at 1 level will likely not have a good suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 It's a matter of agreement. I believe it's fine to play system on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I believe so... Why not?A couple of reasons. Balancer more often will not have good Majors (no DBL) and since partner never O/called at 1 level will likely not have a good suit. You could also use the same logic that if you don't play system on here, partner can't have a decent suit since he did not bid over 1♣. I would definitely play system on here because may be there are times where partner has a weak major suit and allow you to declare leaving the opener on lead. I really believe you need 2♣ as system on (some form of stayman) because not all 8-10 counts with 4-4 in the majors can partner double 1♣. I wouldn't exactly stress this out too much, keep it nice and simple. If you really do believe lots of changes should be made, then there is a case that different cases apply depending on what LHO had opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 A nice idea is to have some sort of systems on, but tweaked. For example, have 2♣ as Stayman, but partner bids 2NT with a maximum, and you then play Puppet over that if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 I do not play systems on. I play that a cue-bid is stayman initially (with a later suit bid being invitational with a 5 card suit), bidding a suit at the 2 level is natural, to play, and that jump bids are forcing. I don't think there's anything wrong with playing systems on, either, as long as you have agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Systems on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I think the best reason to play systems on is just to keep things simple -- you don't have to remember different systems over opening NT and balancing NT. Reducing memory pressure and avoiding confusion can be more important than playing the theoretically best system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 system off because the situation is different, but have an easy other system instead.(F.E. all bids are transfers, transfer to their suit is stayman). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 I think Roland (Codo)'s treatment is better than system on. Anyway, it's nice to play system on when the hand with length in a suit, in which you (the 1NT-bidder) are likely to have a stopper, is on your left. As Ken says, it makes sense to play 2♣ as some kind of range-check stayman, if you play the 1NT bid as wide-ranging. I think Ken's and Roland's ideas can be combined by playing transfer to their suit as range-check stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Systems on. You don't need range stayman after 1m, but its very useful after 1M, since the 1N call tends to be slightly wider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I don't see the point of playing system on as partner can't have many of the 5-card major hands that 'system on' caters for. I play 2C as Stayman/range ask (1NT bidder bids 2NT with a maximum), all other 2-level bids as natural and weak (including the cue bid), jumps as natural and forcing, except 3C is natural and weak (2C then 3C natural and forcing). The only jump that ever really comes up is the jump cue in their suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 I don't see the point of playing system on as partner can't have many of the 5-card major hands that 'system on' caters for. I play 2C as Stayman/range ask (1NT bidder bids 2NT with a maximum), all other 2-level bids as natural and weak (including the cue bid), jumps as natural and forcing, except 3C is natural and weak (2C then 3C natural and forcing). The only jump that ever really comes up is the jump cue in their suit. I fully agree with your treatment of the responses to the balancing 1NT, but I would have thought the conditions existing, make it a greater possibility that partner has a 5 card major? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Transfers are crucial for right-siding after a balancing NT, so system on is the simplest approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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