mtvesuvius Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Playing precision at IMPs: [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sqt97hk876da9cjt2&w=sa432hqd82ckq9854&e=sk65hj532d654ca76&s=sj8hat94dkqjt73c3]399|300|Scoring: IMP2♣ - (Pass) - Pass - (2♦)2♠ - (Pass) - 3♣ - (Pass)Pass - (3♥) - Dbl - (Pass)Pass - (Pass) Lead: 2♥Result: Making Four. -630. ATB![/hv] My partner thought I was showing extras when I bid 2♠. I thought I needed to show my shape and be able to compete immeadiately. My partner contended that he needed to be able to balance, and that I shouldn't be competing when we don't have the BOP, and we rate to have a misfit. He said that in order for me to bid 2♠ I needed way more than what I had, and I should just pass and let them play wherever they play. I thought that his double was extremely dangerous, and that he should pass... He thought I should pull to 4♣ since I'm 6-4, and I've only shown 5-4. I also thought he should raise to 3♣ immeadiately, but didn't bring that part up... Also, he mentioned that we will often have a big misfit and will be going for a number in 2♠ or 3♣ when he is like 6-4 or 5-5 in the reds. I think I cannot live in fear, and must bid there. Anyway, who has lost their mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Well, I'm rather confused. West has nowhere near a strong 2♣ opening. :) Actually, I am confused about one thing -- where's YOUR double? When does your partner think you have extras for your double when you did not double? Anyway, assuming that the auction is actually what happened... 2♣ = normalEast's pass = dumb ass2♠ = normal (Of course you need shape but not strength...DUH)3♣ = has every ounce of thatWest's first pass = normalDbl = WTF?!?!? East has two cards of interest, and they are in West's length. I might double 5♥, but I'd intend it as striped-tail ape.West's second pass = what else? West has what West said West has. East doubled. Lead now. Summary: East is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 This isn't really fair, as it's clear that East has never played bridge before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Not completely clear about everything, since the text is different from the auction with the diagram, but it doesn't matter. East is not close to having a double of 3♥ after partner opened a precision 2♣. Could have been worse, would be -930 if they were vulnerable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 East is wrong. West should convince east to play that 2C shows 6 clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted May 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Sorry... I have edited it now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 agree with kenrexford's comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 You were right partner shouldn't pass 2♣.Partner was right you shouldn't bid 2♠.You were very right partner shouldn't double 3♥.Partner was very wrong that you should pull his double. You weren't perfect, but he was a lot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Does anybody have any comments on North's 3♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 What is precision 2♣ showing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 What is precision 2♣ showing? Classic is 11-15 HCP with 6+ clubs, maybe five clubs if a four-card major also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Does anybody have any comments on North's 3♥? A little late arriving to the dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 2♠ and dbl = overbids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Agree with Josh. 2♠ should be a hand that has some offence for 3♣ (like better intermediates or a purer hand) given that partner passed our 2♣. lol at rest of the auction. The double got what it deserved, and no way in hell should you pull the double. You're even holding ♥Q! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 I think 2♠ is in the class of poor bids that work a lot of the time. I'd prefer another spade honour but it's a bid that I can live with. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 2♠ and the double of 3♥ both look like tilt bids to me. Not surprised there was some acrimony later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Actually, I don't mind 2♠ much, as it tries to get opps off the hearts. Obviously, responder took 2♠ as showing nice extras. Perhaps he's more to blame, since he probably failed to see the tactical aspect of the 2♠ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 i hate 2S but hate it less than West pass, wich is still a better bid than his X. Sometimes you make 3 bad bids and still get a good results, but not here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Actually, I don't mind 2♠ much, as it tries to get opps off the hearts. Obviously, responder took 2♠ as showing nice extras. Perhaps he's more to blame, since he probably failed to see the tactical aspect of the 2♠ bid. My thoughts exactly. 2♥ gains nothing defensively and thus should be more constructive. 2♠, on the other hand, is the most frustrating call in bridge for the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 This isn't really fair, as it's clear that East has never played bridge before. I don't care what kind of extras East thinks 2♠ shows.... his double of a part score into game is AWFUL at IMPs. Regardless of whether 2♣ shows 5♣+4M or 6♣ East really should get his hand off his chest with an immediate 3♣ which is not forward going unless opener has a very nice hand. That might result in shutting the opps out. Opener's 2♠ is certainly pushy on this real minimum. I'd pass, but I don't hate the bid. East's complaint that opener didn't pull 3♥x shows that West would do well to find a new PD. Blame 10% West (2♠ a bit too pushy) 90% East (who should learn not to X part scores into game based on his PD's presumed hand unless he expects to set it 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Ken's comments about 2♠ bids creating inconvience for the opps hits the nail on the head. I always strive to bid 2♠ when in doubt. That means weak 2's, PJS, or PJO or even a pushy raise of an opening 1♠. Let the opps come in at the 3 level if they dare and see if they can sort out where and how high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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