Your bid?

[mohitz]

Playing matchpoints in a club game, you pick up

 

[hv=d=n&s=sajxxhtxxxdajxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

What do you bid after your partner deals and opens a weak 2S and RHO passes. If vulnerability impacts your decision, please mention.

[se12sam]

I'd pass, regardless of vulnerability. If LHO also passes, there is a chance we will miss game.

 

However, I think opponents will often come to our help e.g. if their action suggests a 4-4 or 5-3 fit in hearts for their side, we get to play in 4♠ doubled with good chances of making.

[655321]

4♠ always.

[whereagles]

Indeed. This is one situation where the law of total tricks best applies. Long fit, ruffing values, pure hand... Perfect.

[Hanoi5]

4♠, we have ten trumps. Unless partner can have Qxxxx for his preemptive opening I think we have a clear shot at game or a great sacrifice.

[kenrexford]

2NT if partner can have five spades.

[mtvesuvius]

4♠.

[mcphee]

Clear 4S, we have no need to be looking for anything, we simply hope it makes and defending a 5 level contract from the opps is not without some hope. Letting them make any noise entering the bidding at a safer lower level then 4S is silly.

 

Lets face up to the truth, are you going to raise to 3S pin point bidding because partner sees a 6 card major to the 9 has 2 Q's, a random J and salvatates at his opportunity to pre-empt? More in line is KQ6th and out, in which case your number of losers will focus on partners D holding. When its your lucky day he holds 2H and a stiff D.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

Red vs. Green - I bid 4S with a high expection to make.

Green vs. Red - I bid 4S with the expection, that I will have a

cheap sacrifice against a game

at equal vul. - I bid 3S, may or may not make, but I am killing

enough space to make them guess, and I am

not risking going -? for ???.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[jdonn]

If you bid anything but 4♠ ever playing any normal style of weak 2 bids then you are severely overthinking the situation.

[Phil]

If you bid anything but 4♠ ever playing any normal style of weak 2 bids then you are severely overthinking the situation.

Agree. I will use less words than Josh to describe how much I hate anything but 4♠.

 

Did I succeed? Barely?

[mtvesuvius]

If you bid anything but 4♠ ever playing any normal style of weak 2 bids then you are severely overthinking the situation.

Agree. I will use less words than Josh to describe how much I hate anything but 4♠.

 

Did I succeed? Barely?

Barely. I have only used 10 words on this thread.

[neilkaz]

If you bid anything but 4♠ ever playing any normal style of weak 2 bids then you are severely overthinking the situation.

Agree. I will use less words than Josh to describe how much I hate anything but 4♠.

 

Did I succeed? Barely?

Barely. I have only used 10 words on this thread.

Yes..just bid 4♠ with a pure hand with roughing values.

[the hog]

4S

[kenrexford]

If you bid anything but 4♠ ever playing any normal style of weak 2 bids then you are severely overthinking the situation.

True, but then isn't it fairly "normal" to possibly have five-card suits?

 

I mean, if the auction went:

 

2♠-P-2NT(asking)-P-

3♣(5-card)-P-3♦(strength?)-P-

3♥(minimum)-P-???

 

Wouldn't you bid 3♠ to play?

[655321]

I mean, if the auction went:

 

2♠-P-2NT(asking)-P-

3♣(5-card)-P-3♦(strength?)-P-

3♥(minimum)-P-???

 

Wouldn't you bid 3♠ to play?

Partner has opened a weak 2, and we have 10 HCP with 4 card support. Where do you find these opponents who so politely remain silent while you conduct a constructive auction with partner?

 

In case it is not clear, the main reason for bidding 4♠ immediately is to make it more difficult for the opposition. Your slow auction fails to do this.

[jmcw]

I'm not ever passing!. At = and Fav it's a good 4♠ bid. Not sure if I'd bid 4 at Unfav but probably would.

[andy_h]

4S

[kenrexford]

I mean, if the auction went:

 

2♠-P-2NT(asking)-P-

3♣(5-card)-P-3♦(strength?)-P-

3♥(minimum)-P-???

 

Wouldn't you bid 3♠ to play?

Partner has opened a weak 2, and we have 10 HCP with 4 card support. Where do you find these opponents who so politely remain silent while you conduct a constructive auction with partner?

 

In case it is not clear, the main reason for bidding 4♠ immediately is to make it more difficult for the opposition. Your slow auction fails to do this.

Well, heck. I suppose I should bid 4♠ any time we have a fit then, right? Whatever opening there is, whatever strength I have, no matter how many trumps we have, bid 4♠!

[skjaeran]

4♠ seems very clear to me. Normally it leads to a good score if we're allowed to play there. And it makes life difficult for opps.

[hanp]

4S.

[cherdanno]

I mean, if the auction went:

 

2♠-P-2NT(asking)-P-

3♣(5-card)-P-3♦(strength?)-P-

3♥(minimum)-P-???

 

Wouldn't you bid 3♠ to play?

Partner has opened a weak 2, and we have 10 HCP with 4 card support. Where do you find these opponents who so politely remain silent while you conduct a constructive auction with partner?

 

In case it is not clear, the main reason for bidding 4♠ immediately is to make it more difficult for the opposition. Your slow auction fails to do this.

Well, heck. I suppose I should bid 4♠ any time we have a fit then, right? Whatever opening there is, whatever strength I have, no matter how many trumps we have, bid 4♠!

It's a good rule to start with - when you have a 10-card fit (or 9-card fit with two unbalanced hands), bid 4S.

Much better than bidding 2N on this hand, anyway.

[kenrexford]

I mean, if the auction went:

 

2♠-P-2NT(asking)-P-

3♣(5-card)-P-3♦(strength?)-P-

3♥(minimum)-P-???

 

Wouldn't you bid 3♠ to play?

Partner has opened a weak 2, and we have 10 HCP with 4 card support. Where do you find these opponents who so politely remain silent while you conduct a constructive auction with partner?

 

In case it is not clear, the main reason for bidding 4♠ immediately is to make it more difficult for the opposition. Your slow auction fails to do this.

Well, heck. I suppose I should bid 4♠ any time we have a fit then, right? Whatever opening there is, whatever strength I have, no matter how many trumps we have, bid 4♠!

It's a good rule to start with - when you have a 10-card fit (or 9-card fit with two unbalanced hands), bid 4S.

Much better than bidding 2N on this hand, anyway.

I mean, personally, I'd bid 4♠ opposite any normal partner, because it's second seat and partner better have a decent reason to open a 5-card spade suit.

 

That said, the premise of two unbalanced hands is not there for all people. Partner might be the type who would open 2♠ with 5332 shape. Who knows? Playing Devil's Advocate, I think 2NT makes sense if that is possible.

 

I'm not sure why I'm jumping into or creating a debate about what I would do if partner systemtically opened weird 5332 2♠ bids in second seat, which I don't do, other than to be precise.

[jdonn]

That said, the premise of two unbalanced hands is not there for all people.  Partner might be the type who would open 2♠ with 5332 shape.  Who knows?  Playing Devil's Advocate, I think 2NT makes sense if that is possible.

I agree that if partner doesn't have the correct hands for his bid, our correct bid may not work best. But I don't think it merits pointing out, let alone having a long debate over.