Assign the blame

[miguelm]

[hv=d=s&v=b&n=sjxxxxhjdkq10xxcaj&s=shaq10xdajxxckq10xx]133|200|Scoring: IMP

Team match[/hv]

 

The auction went

 

1C......1H

2C......2D

2H......3NT

All pass

 

For the purpose of your evaluation, please take under consideration de following:

- 1C = two way, either any nat. hand (can't be balanced) with 4+ clubs or any GF hand.

- 1H = 4+ spades, 0+ points.

- 2C = nat.

- 2D = NMF (one round at least)

- 2H = 4 cards, might still hold 3 spades

- 3NT = to play

 

and in case anyone want to ask, I anticipate the answers :)

 

- 2D or 2H instead of 2C is a normal and nat. reverse.

- 2D followed by a 3D rebid shows a two suiter (S/D) but not forcing.

- 3D instead of 2D would be nat. and forcing.

 

Thx in advance.

[kenrexford]

Not sure that it matters, but is 1♥...3♦ by Responder a sequence that shows 5-5 and GF? Or, is there any other way that Responder could show his hand better?

[miguelm]

""

 

and in case anyone want to ask, I anticipate the answers

 

- 2D or 2H instead of 2C is a normal and nat. reverse.

- 2D followed by a 3D rebid shows a two suiter (S/D) but not forcing.

- 3D instead of 2D would be nat. and forcing.

 

""

 

:)

[mikeh]

Maybe the methods are to blame... I have a preference for reversing the meaning of the 2♦ then 3♦/immediate 3♦ sequences, so that responder can use the artificial 2♦ followed by anything but 2♠ as gf, with an immediate 3♦ as 5-5 or better, less than gf.

 

But one has to fight the war with the army one has, not the army one wishes one had.

 

If and to the extent that there is any blame, it seems to me that it must lie with North. His hand is surely a gf after the 2♣ rebid... AJ isn't a bad doubleton, so I think he should have made the gf 3♦ call.

 

Presumably this would allow partner to show 3 spades if he held them, so we don't risk missing that fit... it allows for 3N when that is right... the AJ of clubs means that opener will have a source of tricks and increases the likelihood of 2 heart stoppers (especially since we have the J).

 

Nothing is perfect....in the old days, and, I suspect, for a number of Acol players, the blame rests with S for not reversing into diamonds :)

 

As it is, while I think the auction could and should have gone better, I don't think that anyone committed any horrific error.

[kenrexford]

""

 

and in case anyone want to ask, I anticipate the answers

 

- 2D or 2H instead of 2C is a normal and nat. reverse.

- 2D followed by a 3D rebid shows a two suiter (S/D) but not forcing.

- 3D instead of 2D would be nat. and forcing.

 

""

 

:)

I got confused and thought 3♦ by OPENER would be natural and forcing.

 

In that event, Responder does much better with a 3♦ call.

[whereagles]

My plan would be to reverse in hearts and then bid diamonds. However, I'm not sure what would happen after

 

1♣ 1♥ (spades)

2♥ ..??

 

Assuming responder bids 2NT as some sort of artificial tool, then opener can follow up with 3♦ completing the description. After that it's easy to get to 6♦ at least (7 is kind of hard to get to).

 

As it went, I might have tried 3♦ over 2♥.

[gnasher]

I don't think the responding hand is worth game. I'd bid 2♦ then 3♦.

 

The route actually chosen, of 2♦ followed by 3NT, is awful. If North decides to drive game after 2♣, he should obviously chose the route that lets him show his diamonds. If he originally planned to invite, but changed his mind when his partner bid his singleton, his judgement is somewhat deficient.

[Codo]

I had not reversed with the south hand, the void in partners suit is surely no plus.

 

I think that responders hand is a game force, so I had bid 3♦ over 2 ♣.

 

 

In a standard system, now you may bid 4 ♦, setting trumps, 4 ♥ cuebid and you may reach slam from there.

[se12sam]

In my humble opinion, the only "blame" bid is 3NT.

 

North knows South cannot be balanced. He does not know South's point count (in his opinion, likely 12-14) and does not know the diamond length.

 

I'd bid 3♦ with the North hand. Non-forcing does not mean discouraging.

[miguelm]

Maybe the methods are to blame... I have a preference for reversing the meaning of the 2♦ then 3♦/immediate 3♦ sequences, so that responder can use the artificial 2♦ followed by anything but 2♠ as gf, with an immediate 3♦ as 5-5 or better, less than gf.

Thanks for your post.

I am not sure how the methods could have turned this into something different... but I am always willing to learn so if you can give some clues why it works better that way I might change it.

 

Anyway, the method here is devised as simple as it can ben and in accordance to what we have across the entire system - jumps bid specific hands and going slower give space for more hand types, so the jump to 3D is a 2 suiter and GF, while going through 2D, several hand types can be bid. In fact, after 2D - 2H, all bids are GF except 2S, 3D and 2NT.

[miguelm]

And thanks all for the contributions.

 

I was seating North and I think we were both a bit to blame.

Yes, I might have pushed a bit and bid 3D right away.

Yes, partner might have reversed.

 

I went out of my "invitational" route and bid 3N coz we were playing teams, we were red and I valued two of my Jacks (and I am hell of a card player ehehehehe)