2, 3, 4, 5, 6?

[655321]

4♣ is IMO losing bridge. If you go down 2, the opponents must have a game. If you go down 1 doubled, the opponents must have a game. If you go down 3 doubled the opponents must have a slam.

If the opponents always did the right thing over 4♣ I would agree with you. But they don't, do they?

[bid_em_up]

Partner's hand:

 

[hv=s=saxxxhaxxxdaqxxcq]133|100|[/hv]

 

And everyone is worried about how many 4C may go down. :P

 

For the record, I chose 4♣. Tyler simply raised to 5 with this hand (what is your choice?). With the stiff K♣ onside, it makes 7. Tyler felt the hand was too heavy for 4♣. I think its a little more discretional, given that it occured at a table in the main bridge club (or maybe an ACBL tournament) and not in any "serious" play.

[marcD]

4♣ is IMO losing bridge. If you go down 2, the opponents must have a game. If you go down 1 doubled, the opponents must have a game. If you go down 3 doubled the opponents must have a slam. With 7 losers in our own hand, how many of those are we really expected to get rid of without losing the fact that the opponents make game? 3♣ often will not go down too many, but it's too easy for the opponents to find a makable game or partscore if they have one, and partner with a decent hand that may make 3NT will pass. 5♣ was already established as suicide, so that leaves 2♣. 2♣ has little pre-emptive effect, but works whenever partner has a good hand, or when partner has trash. It also doesn't commit to anything yet, since you can always rebid 4/5♣ if partner raises.

Think you are confusing MP and bridge :) .2♣ and 4♣ are reasonnable alternartives but I think the higher variance 4♣ has many ways to win. I would probably bid 2♣ at the qualifying stage of a strong event and 4♣ in the final stages . Do not like 3♣ at all (unless it is intermediate whatever that means) and 5♣ is beyond the last guess level : they will simply double

[whereagles]

Tyler simply raised to 5 with this hand (what is your choice?).

Well, picturing overcaller with something like 8 clubs to the AK and out, it's 11,5 tricks on the hand. Since he may not be that strong, 5 seems just about right.

 

The key is the diamond queen, which is a working card. Had the Q been on a major, 5 surely is the right contract.

 

It seems to me quite impossible to gauge our diamond trick source, especially since it's good odds the ♦K is sitting over the Q. So yeah, basically I agree with a simple raise to 5.