Al_U_Card Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 At first blush, this seems totally whack but the more you find out, the more it makes a weird kind of sense and is at least as logically consistent as most theories....(almost used the e-word there...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-ylrPfLxFI&feature=related His site has the proof in greater detail but he does go into many of the examples during the multiple segment interview with Art Bell. The earth, like Topsy, just growed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Errr... no. The more you find out, the less sense it makes. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Got to part 6 as I write. Gets more and more whack though each part. Its the incredibly growing Whack. He is out of his depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onoway Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I listened to all of it and found it fascinating. It would be interested to hear just what (precisely) makes this whacko? He was very forthcoming as to how he comes to the conclusions he does, and some of the reasons have some resonance. I have some questions that weren't addressed in the interview, but to dismiss the whole thing out of hand without details or explanation seems a bit arbitrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 LOL The greatest scientific interest I take in this is that someone found a way to upload the voices in Al's head onto youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Likely the same voices that suggest that the entire universe underwent an inflationary (and some suggest hyper-inflationary) period where expansion accelerated from.....nothing? Here is another more technical description I just came across this yesterday by accident (looking for those voices in my head, you see <_< ) and watched it for a lark. More youtube lunacy.....well maybe even the moon is getting bigger...shades of Peter Gabriel! p.s. A closed mind has nothing but echoes and stale air. An open mind has room to grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I spent the morning watching the 5 or 6 programs back-to-back-to-back...etc on the Science Channel about the atom. Somewhere along the way there was talk of the expansion of the planets by collisions with other planets, that Earth had probably had 10 such collisions, which caused it to be much larger than Mars or Mercury. And then they got to QED and I watched the rest of the program sail over my head. :P When they explained that space is not empty at all, it somewhat made moot the claim that from nothing comes nothing as it seems it is impossible for there to be nothing. Except for the sense made in this post. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 If this is a "natural" phenomenon then it stands to reason that the Earth is not the only "victim" of it's effect....et voilà! The Moon, Mars and other planetesimals seem to be undergoing the same changes....reminds me of a Bowie song <_< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCyjhDPnYQ&feature=related the Moon and Mars etc. come in around segments 4-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 I liked the piece about the relationship about mass and gravity. What kind of radio program is this from? Either the radio host is a lunatic himself or he did a great job keeping a straight voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 p.s. A closed mind has nothing but echoes and stale air. An open mind has room to grow. If that's how you feel then why did you offer the "crazy" option in your original question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 p.s. A closed mind has nothing but echoes and stale air. An open mind has room to grow. If that's how you feel then why did you offer the "crazy" option in your original question? Crazy doesn't mean wrong. Columbus was "crazy" in wanting to sail off the edge of the world and we know where that led... If anything, the hypothesis will lead to craziness in the rebuttal. No matter what the actual situation, conjecture and verification will help us find out what the situation really is.... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted May 3, 2009 Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 Richard Feynman's ideas of quantum electrodynamics are still crazy - even being right! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 The dimensionality and particulars of space-time at the quantum level are anything but intuitive for macro-level experience. Those that had the vision and the imagination to contemplate and understand the underlying principles and how they would operate are true pinnacles of the expression of human consciousness. The more we open ourselves to reality, the more we realize and can make use of how things are, for the betterment of humanity. The less we want to know, the worse we make things. It is fundamental to the human condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2009 I liked the piece about the relationship about mass and gravity. What kind of radio program is this from? Either the radio host is a lunatic himself or he did a great job keeping a straight voice. Art Bell specializes in the esoteric fringe interests.... Perhaps some day they will realize that a large portion of the mantle is undergoing a "foaming" process due to radioactive isotope decay heat release and that the earth IS expanding as this less dense magma takes up more space and causes the planet to increase in girth. Most scientific information that are taken as obvious today were speculation mere decades ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 This guy is so clueless about science. If you listen to part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyvumTCh8Zk the moderator asks if the Earth is 1/4 of the size, would it have 1/4 of the gravity as well? Fair question, but our hero answers it incorrectly. Let's assume for simplicity 25% of the planet is covered with landmass. This means that the area was 4 times less 250 million years ago. As radius goes with the square root of the area (area of a sphere = 4 pi r²), the Earth would be half the size and 1/8th of the mass. The gravity acceleration is given by a=G M/r² , and since we have half the radius and 1/8th the mass, the gravity would have been half that of the current gravity. Much more worrying is the fact that the escape velocity of a planet is much lower. On geological timescales, the atmosphere of a planet leaks away into space, because at the top of the velocity distribution of the gas molecules, some will have escape velocity. On Earth, this results in hydrogen and helium being pretty rare: they float to the top and away... On a mini-Earth, the same would happen to methane (which has been shown to be the main ingredient of the primordial atmosphere) and to lesser extent nitrogen and oxygen. Mars is practically devoid of nitrogen and the escape velocity is why. So his poor dino's cannot breathe! I'll stop there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 A closed mind has nothing but echoes and stale air. An open mind has room to grow. Crazy doesn't mean wrong. Columbus was "crazy" in wanting to sail off the edge of the world and we know where that led...Most scientific information that are taken as obvious today were speculation mere decades ago.Continued comments like this are not an argument in favor of anything (except perhaps the rabbi's rule. But partner, it worked once in history!) They only make the speaker seem bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Sure is hard for a kid to have some fun....but as long as they are bitin', I'll keep fishin' :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpace Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 On the topic of open-mindedness someone had posted a nice video in the water cooler sometime back. Here is the link to the video: Link to the thread: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=31421 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 Sure is hard for a kid to have some fun....but as long as they are bitin', I'll keep fishin' :) Who is the fisherman and who is the fish? It's like Matt Damon said in Rounders.... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Was it a fisher of men? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Sure is hard for a kid to have some fun....but as long as they are bitin', I'll keep fishin' :) Ok, the Expanding Earth was bait. It seemed likely to be so. How about the twin towers stuff. You had me thinking you really believed that crap. Bait also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted May 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Could it be that the Water Cooler's real first name was "Waytooserious" ? Sometimes I am just bored....it depends. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 Ah it all makes sense now. Our mistake was taking you seriously. I'll stop that. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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