mtvesuvius Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 All NV at IMPs partner deals and you hold: ♠J9xxx♥T9xx♦Jxx♣J 1♦ - (Pass) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Pass.I really, really like weak jump shifts, but this hand does not qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoAnneM Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Change those jacks into an ace in one of the majors and I will bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style that always responds at this scoring/vul, no matter what my hand is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style that always responds at this scoring/vul, no matter what my hand is. Good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style that always responds at this scoring/vul, no matter what my hand is. Good idea I assume that you alert that you play partner's 1 bid as forcing. Seriously. I would also respond... but only because I have an easy rebid, and if he raises spades or rebids diamonds, I actually have a decent hand. Make it the same with 4=4=3=2, and I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style that always responds at this scoring/vul, no matter what my hand is. Probably not a good idea after a 3rd seat opener though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style that always responds at this scoring/vul, no matter what my hand is. Probably not a good idea after a 3rd seat opener though. Yes, agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style where I always respond non-vulnerable to 1m with 5431 shape, a 5-card major, and a fit for opener's suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I would, but I think it depends what level you're at. I'd prefer not to teach a B/I to respond with this "junk". All's well if you can say that it's easy to understand its upsides and stuff, but the downsides are that they need to alter their judgement as opener when they need to sometimes 'cater' for partner to be responding light. And this alteration may confuse them even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 There are many good things that can happen if you respond. The most likely is that you preempt your opponents out of their partscore or game, but getting to a making spade game or even 3NT is not totally out of the question. The only rebid partner could make that would make me really unhappy is 2NT, and even this can be overcome if we have a way to get out in 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 This is a good hand for only 3 jacks. I'll respond if playing with a PD who expects me to respond with this junk, but otherwise pass. My experiences playing in MBC with random adv/expert pickups is that they will leave me after I respond with hands like this, but maybe that is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 FWIW I think I would have said roughly the same thing had we held the same shape with 0 HCP. The chance that we preempt the opps rises with such a hand, and the chance we have a game goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Pass. This is one reason why I like a light 2♣ opener style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Pass. This is one reason why I like a light 2♣ opener style. The lighter your opening bids, the more good responding on this hand becomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I play a style that always responds at this scoring/vul, no matter what my hand is.I am all for responding light when not vul and I would certainly respond with the hand in question. This is not because I would be afraid I might miss a game if I passed (though for sure that could happen), but because experience strongly suggests that responding makes life considerably harder for the opponents when it is their hand. That being said, if you are really serious about "always" then I suggest you reconsider. For example, I think regardless of the vulnerability it is just bad bridge to respond to 1D with something like: KxxxxxxxxxQxx The reason is that you are more likely to turn a plus into a minus (or a small minus into a big minus) then you are to keep the opponents out of a making game that they would not have reached had you responded. I would rather respond with: xxxxxxxxxxxxx because now the chances of the opponents having a biddable and makable game have increased substantially. Of course my assessment of the likelyhood of various outcomes of various actions with various hands is largely a result of my own subjective experience (ie judgment). If your experience tells you to bid differently, you could well be "right" (whatever that means). Do whatever makes you feel comfortable, but try to keep in mind that using words like "always" is dangerous. By doing so you are utilizing a rule as a surrogate for judgment thereby closing your mind to the benefits you might otherwise gain from your own experience. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Sometimes the word "always" is appropriate. As in, "the only rule that always works is to think" :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 It would also be interesting to hear what the planned response to 1♦ holding: xxxxxxxxxxxxx or xxxxxxxxxxxxx I don't think anyone likes to bid 1NT with either and the other option (besides pass) is to pysch a major. Anyway, as per Fred, I think a style of "I will strain to respond to 1m if NV," makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 This one is easy. You have two cover cards if partner has 5 diamonds. If partner only has four diamonds, then he only lacks a spade fit when he has 2443 or 2344, and perhaps not the latter if the partnership opens 1♣ with 2344. Most often the time, he has a spade fit when I don't have a diamond fit, and I like my hand for a spade contract. Worst case is to play diamonds on a Moysian, and that's OK too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I understand why people are bidding, but I'll continue to pass tyvm. At this point, I think bidding would upset partnership trust. When I get to the point where the main source of IMPs/MPs won/lost is NOT ridiculous bids/plays on one side or the other, maybe I'll revisit this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Yes I would bid 1♠. I thought super-light responses required a pre-alert in some instances. For instance, I know on the USBF website, many pairs pre-alert that they respond very lightly. Whether or not this is a question of 'style' or something conventional is something I'm not qualified to comment on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Maybe superlight responses require pre-alerts, but this hand isn't superlight!!! Whatever partner raises me to in spades, I expect to make. If he bids any level of diamonds, there is a good chance he will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Sometimes the word "always" is appropriate. As in, "the only rule that always works is to think" :) unless your thinking gives opps the information they need to play the hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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