3for3 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 How bad will it be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 In the USA 36,000 die each year from the flu, the nonswine flu.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I suspect it is a seperate lethal but not-easily-transmittable virus that has killed those in Mexico who worked closely with pigs, and that the actual swine flu which is much more contageous and has appeared in other countries, is about as dangerous as normal flu strains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Why is it deadly? What's different from other flus? How do people die from it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_R__E_G Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Here at work we have two people who just came back after being down in Mexico on vacation last week. Our Health & Safety department sent them home today and apparently has asked them to not come back until next week (assuming they are not ill). Seems a little over the top to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I got food poisoning yesterday night, and of course I had all the associated symptoms etc... I had all the same signs, but today, I am tired but luckily I don't have the Swine Flu (I'm still in NY, heading back to FL on Thursday). I just found it a little amusing that I got the food poisoning at nearly the same time that the Flu scare is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 I suspect it is a seperate lethal but not-easily-transmittable virus that has killed those in Mexico who worked closely with pigs, and that the actual swine flu which is much more contageous and has appeared in other countries, is about as dangerous as normal flu strains. This is most likely a good guess. When a virus mutates to become inter-species transmittable, it usually loses some of its pathogenicity. I would guess this won't be the great killer that other viruses could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 How bad will it be? In the past decade about ten million people have died from regular flu and in the coming decade about ten million people are expected to die from regular flu. No doubt we can add hundreds to those numbers now from swine flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks everyone has lost their collective minds recently? I mean, I know some have. What the heck else could explain barnstorming Manhattan on Air Force One? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks everyone has lost their collective minds recently? I mean, I know some have. What the heck else could explain barnstorming Manhattan on Air Force One? Agree this much more photo op compared to 20 million dead from regular flu....or millions from waterbording....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Why is it deadly? What's different from other flus? How do people die from it? A significant difference I've heard is that it's hitting young, healthy people. Usually the people at risk from serious flu consequences are elderly or infants., that's why they get preferential treatment for vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks everyone has lost their collective minds recently? I mean, I know some have. What the heck else could explain barnstorming Manhattan on Air Force One? Agree this much more photo op compared to 20 million dead from regular flu....or millions from waterbording....:P Perhaps if we torture the pilot to find out what their "real" plan was? The fact that the "cases" in La Gloria, Mexico have more to do with the pig processing operations than they do with airborne pathogens.....why am I not surprised that a multi-national corporation is involved? (Smithfield Foods) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I saw that Obama is requesting something like 1.5 billion dollars to handle the Swine Flu problem. WTF?!?!? I mean, how much precisely will we be spending for the 20-30,000 deaths from the regular flu? Another TARP-style bill? Or, is this some nonsense created crisi to justify more money for government health care, a sort of sneak-in approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks everyone has lost their collective minds recently? I mean, I know some have. What the heck else could explain barnstorming Manhattan on Air Force One? Agree this much more photo op compared to 20 million dead from regular flu....or millions from waterbording....:P Perhaps if we torture the pilot to find out what their "real" plan was? The fact that the "cases" in La Gloria, Mexico have more to do with the pig processing operations than they do with airborne pathogens.....why am I not surprised that a multi-national corporation is involved? (Smithfield Foods) yes, it'd probably be better if the gov't took over all multi natls... things would run smoother and safer and far more economically (not to mention 'greener') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I saw that Obama is requesting something like 1.5 billion dollars to handle the Swine Flu problem. WTF?!?!? I mean, how much precisely will we be spending for the 20-30,000 deaths from the regular flu? Another TARP-style bill? Or, is this some nonsense created crisi to justify more money for government health care, a sort of sneak-in approach? Did he really request that kind of money? If so then I hope it's the last thing you say, just a trick to get more money for health care in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 I saw that Obama is requesting something like 1.5 billion dollars to handle the Swine Flu problem. WTF?!?!? I mean, how much precisely will we be spending for the 20-30,000 deaths from the regular flu? Another TARP-style bill? Or, is this some nonsense created crisi to justify more money for government health care, a sort of sneak-in approach? Did he really request that kind of money? If so then I hope it's the last thing you say, just a trick to get more money for health care in general. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...K-0nkQD97RKJ300 I found the last sentence funny. When a couple of hundred people get the sniffles, rushing to Congress for 1.5 billion dollars seems more on the side of panic. But, maybe this year only 1.5 billion dollars is "prudent" in comparison? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks everyone has lost their collective minds recently? I mean, I know some have. What the heck else could explain barnstorming Manhattan on Air Force One? Agree this much more photo op compared to 20 million dead from regular flu....or millions from waterbording....:P Perhaps if we torture the pilot to find out what their "real" plan was? The fact that the "cases" in La Gloria, Mexico have more to do with the pig processing operations than they do with airborne pathogens.....why am I not surprised that a multi-national corporation is involved? (Smithfield Foods) yes, it'd probably be better if the gov't took over all multi natls... things would run smoother and safer and far more economically (not to mention 'greener') They would have to stop being owned and controlled by them first... Whether it is in banana-republics or in your backyard, the less than reasonable corporative lack of concern is a direct function of government regulation AND ENFORCEMENT. The EPA is a prime example. Without teeth and being manipulated by the various campaign contributions of the poultry industry, the Chesapeake bay will be a "dead zone" soon enough. http://www.vims.edu/newsandevents/topstori...ones-spread.php http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...dead-zones.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 WTF?!?!?! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30480507/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 WTF?!?!?! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30480507/ good thing egypt doesn't own all the pigs there, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Well, one thing is for sure. The new globalism means that insanity is universal. I kind of liked the idea of exporting democracy, but exporting insane panic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 Now, all of that money wouldn't be for vaccines supplied by multi-national corporations...would it? Marketing....try to avoid it. ps remember that the flu is best cured by bed rest, mild fever and no analgesics or other immune-system depressing medications... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 ps remember that the flu is best cured by bed rest, mild fever and no analgesics or other immune-system depressing medications... plus $1.5 billion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted April 29, 2009 Report Share Posted April 29, 2009 i just don't dig on swine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 1.5B works out to $5 or so per head. I'm in. The Social Security Administration recently sent me a notice that for some reason they will be giving me an extra $250. I have no idea how that will do anything for the nation. Don't get me wrong, I'll take it, I just don't understand it. Of course I have no idea about how this flu will develop. I do recall from the early eighties that many vocal people thought spending money on a disease that seemed to only be a problem for a bunch of white gay guys was a terrible waste of money. If 1.5B turns out to be more than needed here, I believe that the Mexican government could use a little help with this. I recommend we give that help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 ps remember that the flu is best cured by bed rest, mild fever and no analgesics or other immune-system depressing medications... plus $1.5 billion Likely quid pro quo, banks, big auto, big pharma.....who else? where does the line start???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.