Mbodell Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skt74h8dkqt54ckq3]133|100|Scoring: MP1♦-1♥-??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Start with a double. Obviously there's plenty of bidding to do later. Ask yourself what your call would be if RHO passed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Red Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Ok, you double. Now the auction continues 3♥ (alerted and explained as preemptive) - P - P - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Ok, you double. Now the auction continues 3♥ (alerted and explained as preemptive) - P - P - ?? Another Red Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 On the first round I bid 1♠ or double, whichever is my agreed method with a four card spade suit. Then 5♦ when 3♥ comes back. I don't like to double again with undisclosed 5 card support. If partner has some junky hand with only one Ace, 5♦ won't make. If partner has 3 Aces and a doubleton spade we are probably cold for slam. But because I can't find out exactly what partner has, I just make the value bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Ok, you double. Now the auction continues 3♥ (alerted and explained as preemptive) - P - P - ?? Another Red Card.As partner you hold: ♠AJ♥T97♦A832♣AJ42 now what? remember unfavorable at MP and auction has gone 1♦ (1♥) X (3♥) P (P) X (P) ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Ok, you double. Now the auction continues 3♥ (alerted and explained as preemptive) - P - P - ?? Another Red Card.As partner you hold: ♠AJ♥T97♦A832♣AJ42 now what? remember unfavorable at MP and auction has gone 1♦ (1♥) X (3♥) P (P) X (P) ?? Pass. The 2nd double is optional, I dont like playing 4m, so I pass. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 As partner you hold: ♠AJ♥T97♦A832♣AJ42 now what? Agree to both dbls, now 5♣. (which pard should pull to 5♦, ofc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I think the second double is positively awful. Anyone who makes the second double is SJ Simon's stereotypical unlucky-expert every time partner passes and they get 100 with a very easy game on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 agree with 65.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Me too, I really don't like the second double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hate the 2nd double since the hand is so offensive. I would bid 4♥ and pard should be able to work out that I have diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 I agree with Phil: 4♥ partner can work out that I have something close to this. I show precisely 4 spades and no more than 4 clubs... with the values to now bid 4♥, I would have bid 2♣ initially with 4=5+ in the black suits. And I can't imagine bidding 4♥ with xx...that is the type of hand on which one is often best to double. Note that if you are one of those players who, with Kxxx x KQx KQxxx, tend to double (arguing that one has to show one's spades) then this type of reasoning falls away... but that would be a mistake... akin to responding 1♠ had lho passed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 obv 3S balance showing a GF diamond raise then you can pass 3n. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 obv 3S balance showing a GF diamond raise then you can pass 3n. nice treatment :) I have never heard of it, but it makes sense... maybe a bit esoteric for the B/I forum, tho :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sorry didnt realize what forum this was I was making a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yes, but isn't it a nice idea anyway? I mean: the alternative is for it to suggest a moysian, but it has to show willingness to play at least 4minor, so I think you have stumbled onto something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Yes, but isn't it a nice idea anyway? I mean: the alternative is for it to suggest a moysian, but it has to show willingness to play at least 4minor, so I think you have stumbled onto something. I've seen similar 'solutions' in some of the old MSC's, but I don't know if this idea has gone beyond theory. I still believe 3♠ would just show four really good spades. This is the type of auction even 5-year partnerships don't talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Suggesting a Moysian doesn't make all that much sense on this auction. If we don't want to double, we probably have short hearts, so the wrong hand would take the tap on heart leads. Clearly Justin's suggestion is the best use of the bid :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Alright, thanks for the checking. We scored 500 for beating 3♥ by 3 tricks. About half the field were scoring up games and one person bid slam (6 of either minor is cold, some folks were down as well, presumably in 3nt). I wasn't sure which of the calls, if any, was where we went wrong. The second Xer didn't want to bypass 3nt, but I think if partner had hearts controlled they ought to have tried 3nt themselves instead of pass, so I like the 4♥ suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 At least you didn't let them play 5♥ undoubled like one pair :) I think 4♥ 2nd round is right, even opposite a stop it's not clear you want to be in 3nt and the colors are wrong for hitting them. I think if partner had hearts controlled they ought to have tried 3nt themselves instead of passThis I strongly disagree with, you only neg-x'd, which doesn't promise more than a 7 count or so. So they aren't going to bid 3nt with every random 13/14 with a stopper. The person who bid the slam was experimenting with transfer walsh, therefore opening 1♣ instead of 1♦ whenever not totally ridiculous to try and get more practice. So the auction went 1♣-(1♥)-2♦-(2♥);3♦-3♠-4♦-5♣-6♦ , knowledge of the 9 cd fit makes it rather easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skt74h8dkqt54ckq3]133|100|Scoring: MP1♦-1♥-??[/hv] double seems easy but I will read the posts now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Ok, you double. Now the auction continues 3♥ (alerted and explained as preemptive) - P - P - ?? ok now I will try 4h.....hopefully rkc for d or if not some general forward going bid, agreeing D...now I will read the rest of the posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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