"Cardinal Rules"

[mtvesuvius]

picked up 21 points balanced, i quicly counted left to right right to left and passed

LOL

[Benoit35]

There is one cardinal rule I see broken at the bridge table consistently, don't argue with your wife.

 

Replace "argue" with "play" and I agree 100%.

[G_R__E_G]

There is one cardinal rule I see broken at the bridge table consistently, don't argue with your wife.

 

Replace "argue" with "play" and I agree 100%.

If you then proceed to replace "wife" with "self" then I agree 110%.

[barryallen]

#1)  Never get involved in the opponents "discussions" at the table.  Wait patiently and keep your mouth shut.

Priceless :)

:) Always best to wait for the start of the next hand, then comment upon how unlucky they were!

[bill1157]

I never understood why it would be a bad sign if someone doesn't play transfers. Considering that different people have different ideas about when they apply (Our 1NT overcalls? They double our 1NT? They interfere with a 2♣ capp, do we play transfers like GIB does?) it makes perfect sense not to play transfers with a pick-up partner.

last thursday I played with a new player (with 0 master points) and when the subject of transfers came up, i said "lets not": game went great, we won. Thanks for the good advice. Now he has 1.2 mps for finishing 1st in A at the club!

 

Bill

[vuroth]

I think the point was "SAYC" but no transfers. I've read the ACBL SAYC bulletin 50x, so my expectations for SAYC are pretty specific. If you're not playing SAYC, what ELSE don't you play from the standard?

 

As for cardinal rules, how about "never save partner"?

[Lobowolf]

If you lied (or taken a position), stick to your story. Don't try make up for it or correct later, e.g. by passing a forcing bid or claiming to have one fewer ace.

 

If you're going to preempt, pop it to what you think is the correct level the first time, then hope they guessed wrong. Don't give them a second chance to do the right thing after exchanging information.

 

Don't think about the last hand while playing this one.

 

Try not to let partner think about the last hand while playing this one (particularly, e.g. if he's screwed up. A well-placed "Don't worry about it" saves tricks).

[pirate22]

well 1n/t--2cl--whatever---4n/t is quantative,i still argue my point,can any one guarentee that 1n/t 4cl is ace asking,also stated in replies,,,,do the gerber fans know what a sign off bid using gerber???

Another "Chestnut" 1n/t---2cl

2d -- 3d---------what does 3 d mean

 

and yet another chestnut you hold KJ10x s---109xx--AQx--AQ

bidding proceeds u 1n/t--2cl

2ht --3n/t your bid? one shld bid--- scroll down

 

 

 

 

 

4spades regards

[Stephen Tu]

well 1n/t--2cl--whatever---4n/t is quantative,i still argue my point,

LOL. No one on the forums backs you up, no books back you up, yet you still argue, despite finding no support from anywhere.

 

can any one guarentee that 1n/t 4cl is ace asking,also stated in replies

If your agreement is "SAYC", then this is ace asking. Whether your partner will answer correctly depends on their skill level, and nationality. Americans should generally get this correct. If they are a beginner then they may not have learned this yet, but with a beginner you take your chances on almost any auction.

 

If your partner gets it wrong, at least he will be wrong instead of you.

 

do the gerber fans know what a sign off bid using gerber???

 

Most of us are not "fans" of gerber; properly used it rarely comes up, and beginners/ints abuse it horribly, using it in sequences where it shouldn't apply or with the wrong hand in the sequences where it does apply. But it does happen to be the only reliable way to ask for aces vs. a balanced NT opener with a pickup partner, and happened to be the appropriate bid with the example hands you supplied.

 

Signoff bids after gerber -- 5♣ is the king ask, anything else would be a signoff, including 4nt. 5♥,5♠,5[nt] are undefined, avoid using them as no one will know what they are. Everything except 5♣, expect to play there.

 

Another "Chestnut" 1n/t---2cl

2d -- 3d---------what does 3 d mean

This is natural and forcing with diamonds in common modern usage. Unfortunately the meaning of this has varied over the ages, so people who learned at a different time may think it is non-forcing.

 

In SAYC, however, it logically has to be forcing, because the other ways to get to diamonds (1nt-3d, invitational, 1nt-2s-3c-3d, signoff) are clearly defined by the document as non-forcing.

 

and yet another chestnut you hold KJ10x s---109xx--AQx--AQ

bidding proceeds u 1n/t--2cl; 2ht --3n/t your bid? one shld bid--- scroll down

4spades regardless

 

First thing you have gotten right here, congratulations.

[pirate22]

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major,although u did not specify this ,you said it was forcing

 

the 2cl hand 10xxxx---QJxxx--Kx--x 5/5/2/1 3d is nonforcing to game

 

i would also agree it depends when one started bridge hence "Chestnuts"

[Lobowolf]

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major,although u did not specify this ,you said it was forcing

 

the 2cl hand 10xxxx---QJxxx--Kx--x 5/5/2/1 3d is nonforcing to game

 

i would also agree it depends when one started bridge hence "Chestnuts"

1NT-2C

2D-3D

 

is forcing and shows diamonds and a 4-card major, in modern standard methods.

[jdonn]

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major

LOL

[P_Marlowe]

I have a few rules to consider: aka Don's Rules  (lol)

 

#1)  Never get involved in the opponents "discussions" at the table.  Wait patiently and keep your mouth shut.

This might hold true at MP, but its most certainly not true at teams.

 

You should be looking for any opportunity to fan the flames. Opponents who are sniping / yelling at each other aren't going to play at all well...

If you do this, be sure it does not kill your performance.

I prefer either a good atmosphere on the table or the

table to be silent.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Stephen Tu]

Stephen Tu ty for your replies --------1n/t--2cl---2d--3d this asks pard to bid his best 3 card major,although u did not specify this ,you said it was forcing

 

the 2cl hand 10xxxx---QJxxx--Kx--x 5/5/2/1 3d is nonforcing to game

 

Pirate22, who the hell taught you to play bridge? What country are you from? You are advocating all these non-std treatments, you obviously haven't learned bridge from any mainstream American or British authors. Some of the treatments you advocate might have a foothold in some obscure corner of the world, but definitely not on BBO in general. If you want to participate here, and be taken at all seriously instead of laughed at, you need to start reading some American/British books. If you want to present some weird bid sequence that for some reason you think is std (but have found out to be wrong, since you've tried it online and found it to be spectacularly unsuccessful), then cite your sources (e.g. author, title, page #). Did someone actually teach you these things or did you invent them yourself?

 

The standardish way to bid weak 5-5 major hands these days is to bid 2c-2d-2h, showing a weak hand with both majors.

 

People are going to assume that 1nt-2c-2d-3d shows 5+ diamonds and a good hand.

 

What do you think 1nt-2c-2d-3c shows? How do you show a good hand with diamonds? How do you show a good hand with clubs?

[Stephen Tu]

1NT-2C

2D-3D

 

is forcing and shows diamonds and a 4-card major, in modern standard methods.

 

The presence of a 4-cd major is not guaranteed, depending on the rest of the system. If you don't have 4-way transfers or something like Walsh relay to show a single suited minor slam try, then there may not be another way to show a minor suit, forcing. As in SAYC.

[qwery_hi]

There is one cardinal rule I see broken at the bridge table consistently, don't argue with your wife.

 

Replace "argue" with "play" and I agree 100%.

If you then proceed to replace "wife" with "self" then I agree 110%.

"Don't play with your self?"

[pirate22]

well this has generated many answers and many "Humerous" replies,

Yes I was dragged to the Bridge world,from simple card games,and a game called Solo--------and with no books while serving in the R.A,F. we tried to play the game,and we even got the suit sequences wrong cl/hts/diamds/sp/n/t instead of nt/S/H/d/cl--------then emigrating to Canada,plyd Goren that sorted out the suit sequences,and started to have a modicom of success.

then back to UK "Acol" 12-14 n/'t that was devastating,so picked up so called bad habits,but more success,at club/county/national,

I am not trying,to force non conformist sys,every one to ones own devices,just asjking a question Cardinal rules it seems as though there are some,of which one of them in my book is "Flair"even when watching top experts VU Graph,they get it wrong-----any way to close it has generated a fair no of replies

Regards to all

[TheoKole]

There is 1 cardinal rule that I never break and it REALLY ticks me off when partner does this to me, which is NEVER to pass a forcing bid. (2 ♣, Game try, Slam try, 4th suit, cue bids, Ace asking, etc). Many people regard forcing bids as normal and they forget that if the bidder is still unlimited, he is not asking for an opinion, just infomation from his partner.

 

The worst example is to pass a 2 ♣ opener if playing SAYC or 2/1 or a 1 ♣ if playing strong ♣ . I have seen this many times because they say it was their "best guess" as to what the best contract was because they have a 6 card ♣ suit and 2 points. Never mind that their "best guess" was based on no information and that they had no idea what your hand was about.

 

Another example is when you make a series of cue bids, get the required information from your partner and then bid the final contract, and your partner changes it!!! because he did not have a fit. :) (As if you were asking for one in the first place).

 

This happened to me last night when I opened 2 ♣ and eventually placed the contract at 6 ♥ after a blackwood sequence. My partner changed it to 6 ♠ and I was forced to bid 6 NT.

 

Of course 6 ♥ was cold and I was forced to try a double squeeze to make 6NT. After I made the contract, my partner was convinced he had made a good bid. :)

 

What can you do?

 

Theo

[pirate22]

Ill throw another rule in ----when a bidding sequence takes place. and either the opener or during the sequence the responder erupts with either 4 n/t or 4cl

( both bids by agreement) are "ACE) asking--whoever iniates either bid, they are the person in charge of the final contract---------any seconders

regards

[matmat]

Ill throw another rule in ----when a bidding sequence takes place. and either the opener or during the sequence the responder erupts with either 4 n/t or 4cl

( both bids by agreement) are "ACE) asking--whoever iniates either bid, they are the person in charge of the final contract---------any seconders

regards

yes 4♣ and 4NT are always aceasking. ALWAYS.

[mtvesuvius]

Ill throw another rule in ----when a bidding sequence takes place. and either the opener or during the sequence the responder  erupts with either 4 n/t or 4cl

( both bids by agreement) are "ACE) asking--whoever iniates either bid, they are the person in charge of the final contract---------any seconders

regards

yes 4♣ and 4NT are always aceasking. ALWAYS.

See Geeber: http://dictionaryofbridgeterms.blogspot.com/search/label/G

[pirate22]

agree but is the asker in charge of final contract placing-or can the opener overule final placement of contract with another bid/placement

[blackshoe]

The partner who asks for aces is captain. So no.

[Stephen Tu]

Ace asker is captain, so responder should normally respect the final contract placement. But if responder has been prevented from showing his hand, has significant undisclosed extra values or long solid suit that haven't been shown from earlier bidding, they should be able to correct. So it has to be an unusual hand.

 

Like if I happen to have a solid 8 bagger spades, responder blackwoods 1st round and signs off in 6 clubs, can't I correct at MP?

[jdonn]

Ace asker is captain, so responder should normally respect the final contract placement.  But if responder has been prevented from showing his hand, has significant undisclosed extra values or long solid suit that haven't been shown from earlier bidding, they should be able to correct.  So it has to be an unusual hand.

 

Like if I happen to have a solid 8 bagger spades, responder blackwoods 1st round and signs off in 6 clubs, can't I correct at MP?

Overruling the strain is possible if you didn't have the chance to show your hand, but of course you must be absolutely sure since partner was also sure or he wouldn't have bid blackwood so soon. It is also possible if you have significant extras and never limited your hand to overrule to 6NT, but be careful!

 

Overruling the level in partner's chosen strain is of course bad practice. The one exception would be if you have the higher number of keycards for your 0-3 or 1-4 response. Although it's not clear if that is standard or requires agreement, it tends to be safe to do.

 

Overruling because you have an unshown void just means you should have shown your void in your response, so that should not be done.