david_c Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 One from last night's simultaneous pairs: [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sakqjthat97dk76c2]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] W N E S1NT p p Dbl p p 2♦! p 2♥ 3♣ p ? 1NT is weak (12-14); 2♦ was a transfer to hearts. What's your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I think I would have doubled 2♦ to show a penalty of hearts last round. Now probably 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 What's wrong with bidding 2♠ the round before? Anyway, now 3♠ or 3NT, depending on how lucky I feel. Probably 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I would have expected that double of 2♦ would suggest diamonds, not hearts... but the area of competitive bidding after they run from a weak notrump is not something to work out at the table... altho, having said that, it seems to me that this is a low-frequency situation... most players in RHO's seat would already have got out of 1N before I doubled. As it is, I bid 3N... we are NOT playing 3♣, I hold solid heart stoppers... and 3♠ may well endplay partner in the bidding, the way I expect to endplay LHO in the auction :) While in spades I may well get to ruff heart losers, in notrump I get to cash heart winners (and I am a trick lower so can afford to lose an extra heart trick)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Dbl 2♦ to show penalty in hearts (I hope). This could help define the auction, if such an agreement already exists. As your side is in a forcing auction, partner should pass 2♥ to check if you are interested in doubling. Since partner did not offer you the choice to double 2♥, I'd guess a singleton heart and long + strong/semi-solid clubs -- handy in 1NTx but not so much in 2♥x A 3♠ bid might work if you think partner will not pass. But otherwise, I'll go for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted April 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I think I would have doubled 2♦ to show a penalty of hearts last round. Ah, fair enough, that would help a lot. But I'm fairly sure that this partner would take double as showing diamonds, like Mike said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 BTW, playing the double as showing a penalty double of hearts may be hugely problematic if the opps can successfully arrange tp play in 2♦ x'd on, say, a 5-3 fit :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I would bid 3♠, good problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I agree great problem. They really play delayed transfers here? Is this common in England? Do they have to xx to play 2♦? Or is this a problem that went to a committee for MI? :) These auctions are the football (American version) of a broken play; where there's a lot of scrambling involved and trying to put something together. I'll bet very few pairs have discussed what a double of a delayed 2♦ means. If RHO had transferred to hearts initially, our double wouldn't be diamonds - it would be 'cards', although our initial double shows that. Presumably pard has a little bit to sit for the x of 1N x's, so I'm just going to shoot out 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 If partner's double of 2♥ would have been for takeout, then I would definitely bid 3NT, suspecting dummy to have short spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 They really play delayed transfers here? Is this common in England? Do they have to xx to play 2♦?This pair was playing "exit transfers" which means redouble shows clubs, 2♣ is for diamonds, etc. That's very popular amongst the club players in this part of the country. (I did warn you this was a simultaneous pairs!) After a direct double I suppose I can see the logic behind this system. I don't think it makes much sense after a fourth-seat double, but at least they were on the same wavelength. (And they won't be giving it up after this board!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Not sure why partner is bidding 3♣ ahead of my possible dbl. Guess he must have heart shortage and would pull a penalty double of 2♥ . So 3NT seems ok (he seems to have some values since he did not run over 1NTx) . I would have dbled 2♦ to show values and clearly establish this is our hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 I only remember seeing someone play 3NT after a 1NT opening in a Killing Defense book, but I'd bid it here. If my partner thought he might pass 1NTx and now he's bidding 3♣ it shouldn't be hard to take 3 tricks with his hand and the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted April 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Well, I don't think the actual result is very instructive, but just for amusement value, here is what happened: [hv=d=w&v=e&n=s2hq3d98543ckq654&s=sakqjthat97dk76c2]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] W N E S1NT p p Dbl p p 2♦! p 2♥ 3♣ p 3♠ p 4♦ p 4♥ p 5♣ p pDbl p p 5♦Dbl AP That was -800 for a well-deserved outright national bottom. OK, I realise there was more wrong with this auction than just the 3♠ bid, but I thought that was the most interesting decision. Please don't criticise my partner too much - it was only a pick-up partnership after all. (And we did score a pleasing 66% overall despite this.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Well, I don't think the actual result is very instructive, but just for amusement value, here is what happened: [hv=d=w&v=e&n=s2hq3d98543ckq654&s=sakqjthat97dk76c2]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] W N E S1NT p p Dbl p p 2♦! p 2♥ 3♣ p 3♠ p 4♦ p 4♥ p 5♣ p pDbl p p 5♦Dbl AP That was -800 for a well-deserved outright national bottom. OK, I realise there was more wrong with this auction than just the 3♠ bid, but I thought that was the most interesting decision. Please don't criticise my partner too much - it was only a pick-up partnership after all. (And we did score a pleasing 66% overall despite this.) Looks like an interesting play problem in 3N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Escape mechanism by east (2d!) and being doubly cute--- east must have a bust,and this case east made a deliberate non escape iniataly,to muddy the waters.but South when you x 1n/t and your pard passed(you know north has values),now the escape bid of 2d! came up.......yes a pick up partnership,i would and u shld have x 2d when the 2ht bid came up now your pard would pass,and u x again np------------the double cuteness of east was not to take out early into his 5 card rubbish hts and 0 points regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Well, I don't think the actual result is very instructive, but just for amusement value, here is what happened: Dealer: West Vul: E/W Scoring: MP ♠ 2 ♥ Q3 ♦ 98543 ♣ KQ654 ♠ AKQJT ♥ AT97 ♦ K76 ♣ 2 W N E S1NT p p Dbl p p 2♦! p 2♥ 3♣ p 3♠ p 4♦ p 4♥ p 5♣ p pDbl p p 5♦Dbl APEven without an undiscussed double of 2♦, I think your partner had a clear pass (not 3♣) over the completed transfer. Qx is a fine holding to sit for your double (should you make one), and if you can't double it's a forcing auction so you'll have to bid something and he can respond to that (probably with 3♣). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 A lot depends on the meaning of the balancing dbl. We play that it is primarily for majors, so the fact that partner passed indicates that he/she has some decent cards.I am not passing 3♣. I'll gamble 3NT: I need a couple of tricks from partner which he/she should have considering the pass of my initial double. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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