kgr Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 You can loose 1 trump trick with:AJxxx vs Txx You need to finesse J and play AORPlay small to the T followed by the depending on who you think has Hx? - Probably small to J is best, because it also wins if LHO has HHx- Small to T is better if you think RHO will play H from HxxIs this correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I think it's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Small to the jack also picks up HH with RHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Small to the jack also picks up HH with RHO. But so does small to the ten... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Small to the jack also picks up HH with RHO. But so does small to the ten... then how do you pick up Hxx on your left playing small to the ten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Small to the jack also picks up HH with RHO. But so does small to the ten... then how do you pick up Hxx on your left playing small to the ten? Lol what is going on, is this an April Fools Day prank you are playing on me or have you been hitting the bottle early today? :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Small to the jack also picks up HH with RHO. But so does small to the ten... then how do you pick up Hxx on your left playing small to the ten? Lol what is going on, is this an April Fools Day prank you are playing on me or have you been hitting the bottle early today? :mellow: Probably just being a moron, but I really am confused. AJxxx Txx You play small toward the ten, and RHO plays the king. What do you do next round? If you hook the jack, then you pay off to KQ on your right. If you play the ace, you pay off to Qxx on your left. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Lol sorry, I was thinking of the other hand as south and thought you were simply making a very random subject change after bringing up KQ doubleton ONside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Lol sorry, I was thinking of the other hand as south and thought you were simply making a very random subject change after bringing up KQ doubleton ONside. Understandable - sounds like the kind of comment I would make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is jdonn posting in the A/E forum again? And what is this suit combination doing here anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is jdonn posting in the A/E forum again? And what is this suit combination doing here anyway? Hey, it was the first suit combination I have known the answer to in a long long time MR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted April 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Is jdonn posting in the A/E forum again? And what is this suit combination doing here anyway? I thought this combination was appropriate for intermediates but I did post it here because:- I wanted adv/ experts to answer it and not be withhold by the type of forum the post was in- I suppose that beg/int also read this forum and learn from it.(That opens the question of what forum is most appropriate if you have a rather easy question, but prefers expert answer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catatonic Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 definitive answer is .....it depends if you have AJ8xx you should run the T ...if covered , win A , finesse 8 next time ; that presumes you have entry otherwise finesse J , then lay down A ; of course if you think RHO isn't good enough to duck with Hx if you start with low to the T then you should do that ...increases your trick average from 3.19 to 3.24 as your post suggests , these things are close , so your estimation of your opps , inferences from the play and table presence are probably the deciding factors , not like A98xx opposite Jxx when you have to have 4 tricks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Aren't both lines equivalent? I mean, it depends on how the suit splits. If LHO has Hx it's better to play small to the T, but if LHO has Hxx you better start with small to the J. HHx doesn't matter, since you'll always suppose LHO would cover with Hx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceeb Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 Aren't both lines equivalent? I mean, it depends on how the suit splits. If LHO has Hx it's better to play small to the T, but if LHO has Hxx you better start with small to the J.They're not equivalent because after low to the 10 you have a guess on the next round. Only if you're a perfect guesser is low to the 10 equally good. Low to the jack, then ace, picks up Hx and KQx onside plus any KQ doubleton. Hence it wins in 6+3+2=11 cases. Suppose instead you play low to the 10 and 2nd hand is a weak player who never ducks from Hx. Then you'll finesse on the next round and end up winning against all Hx offside or KQ(x) onside, but that's still only 10 cases because you lose to KQ offside. If 2nd hand is a good defender who often ducks from Hx, then the best you can do is your birthright of playing for that holding, and incidentally picking up KQ onside as well. That's 7 cases. Reality may be between those extremes. Low to the jack is anyway clearly better. Edit -- I overlooked OP's idea about 2nd hand jumping in with Hxx. Yes, against such an opponent low to the 10 could be better. HHx doesn't matter, since you'll always suppose LHO would cover with Hx.Cover what? I don't understand this comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted April 6, 2009 Report Share Posted April 6, 2009 One last point about this suit is if you can afford to lose 2 tricks but not 3 you should play ace then low to the ten. Low to either the ten or jack on the first round risks losing to a singleton honor on the wrong side, and ducking the first round loses to KQ9x offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburn Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Suppose instead you play low to the 10 and 2nd hand is a weak player who never ducks from Hx. I wonder: how often will a player of any level of skill play the queen from Qx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Suppose instead you play low to the 10 and 2nd hand is a weak player who never ducks from Hx. I wonder: how often will a player of any level of skill play the queen from Qx? Much more often than you think. I reckon that 129,483 BBO'ers will; roughly 83%. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I disagree, I think few people would even consider popping the Q. Maybe I have met the wrong noobs:). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 [hv=n=sajxxx&w=stxx&e=sqx&s=skxx]399|300|[/hv] Popping the Q in second seat would not be a success in this layout. So I guess the 83% of BBO players would lose a trick. By the way, I was assuming that the Txx was in declarer's hand. Is everyone else on that page, or is the common assumption that the Txx is in dummy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 9, 2009 Report Share Posted April 9, 2009 By the way, I was assuming that the Txx was in declarer's hand. Is everyone else on that page, or is the common assumption that the Txx is in dummy? Anyone who mentioned the possibility of the queen's being played in front of the ten assumed that the 10xx was in dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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