kfay Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 (1N)-P-(3N)-4♣ Is this basically universally played as the majors? Does anyone prefer NOT to play that treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 No. I play it as showing clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I play it as clubs. An opponent once had the majors and bid 4♣, then 4♦ when doubled, then redoubled when doubled in that. His partner did not read it, and +2200 was a good score for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 OK that auction does show the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 OK that auction does show the majors. Wrong. 4♣ shows the minors.4♦ shows the majors O_o /nerd mode off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 OK that auction does show the majors. Wrong. 4♣ shows the minors.4♦ shows the majors O_o /nerd mode off han was referring to 1NT P 3NT 4C x P P 4D x P P xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 If I sat down with a random expert I would have taken it as for the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Natural. What would I bid with x x Kxx KJTxxxxx then? :) I don't know how to show majors here... but when is Double ever useful here? Partner is at a guess on the opening lead, and will often lead wrong. In addition, you will almost never collect more than 500 in these auctions, so it's not too beneficial. Still, it's a valuable call to have. I'm wondering if there is any merit to use double here as Minors/Majors? IMO 4♣ should be natural though. But maybe in theory it's better as the Majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I don't know how to show majors here... but when is Double ever useful here? Really very often imo, I would never play the double for the majors here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 In addition, you will almost never collect more than 500 in these auctions, so it's not too beneficial. I think the difference between -600 and +500 is quite beneficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 In addition, you will almost never collect more than 500 in these auctions, so it's not too beneficial. I think the difference between -600 and +500 is quite beneficial. What about the times when partner doesn't make the right lead, and instead makes a lead allowing it to make with several overs? I mean... you hold, say, Kxx QJxx Tx xxxx, what do you lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 In addition, you will almost never collect more than 500 in these auctions, so it's not too beneficial. I think the difference between -600 and +500 is quite beneficial. What about the times when partner doesn't make the right lead, and instead makes a lead allowing it to make with several overs? I mean... you hold, say, Kxx QJxx Tx xxxx, what do you lead? I never hold that hand when partner doubles. I usually have:x xxx Jxxx xxxxx. I lead my spade, since in my partnerships it asks for a lead of my shorter major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Doubling 1N p 3N is useful. Sometimes partner doesn't make the right lead, but if you have a solid major it's usually pretty obvious. There is a huge gain to the double. meanwhile 4C natural will almost never occur. The opps usually don't have a major suit fit, so you having long clubs and a hand that actually wants to bid is quite unlikely. However if you have both majors it's much more likely that you want to bid, and much more likely that you have such a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Natural. What would I bid with x x Kxx KJTxxxxx then? :P Uh, pass springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Natural. What would I bid with x x Kxx KJTxxxxx then? B) Uh, pass springs to mind. More like 'whats the difference' springs to mind, since I could ask in reply what I should bid with KJT9xx QJT9xx x -. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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