Phil Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 An interesting sequence occurred when I was playing with one of my oft mocked and deprecated clients yesterday: What is your interpretation of these calls and provide a typical hand for each auction: (2/1 setting; 3♦ promises extras) 1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 4♣ and 1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 4N Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 My answer: 4♣ is a cue agreeing diamonds. 4♣ promises a club control, otherwise you would bid 4♦. 4NT is quantitative. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 1.1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 4♣ 2.1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 4N 1. NATURAL, 55 and strong. 4NT by pard now = misfit, pls drop dead. 2. I have it defined as straight forward RKCB for diamonds. Maybe not ideal, since you can bid 4♦ + 4NT with the same effect, but that's the definition. Quantitative makes sense, but I wouldn't even think of it without previous discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I think it makes sense to go bid 4D with all Diamond fit hands , keeping both 4C (5-5) and 4NT(quant) as natural and forward going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I think it makes sense to go bid 4D with all Diamond fit hands , keeping both 4C (5-5) and 4NT(quant) as natural and forward going. This is how I play it, but it never came up with this partner. As an aside, suggest an auction with these two hands: [hv=d=w&w=sa9xxxhj8dakjxca9&e=sqxhak9xxdxckqtxx]266|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Both are natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Agree with 4C natural, clearly not agreeing diamonds since the forcing 4D is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 4NT is natural. I think 4C should agree diamonds, because it's both more common and more useful than the natural meaning. On the pair of hands posted by Phil, I'd bid 1♠ 2♥ 3♦ 3NT or possibly 1♠ 2♥ 3♦ 3♠ 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Wasn't there a thread a few months ago that discussed the 1♠-2♥-3♦-4♣ sequence? I think I currently play 4♣ as a diamond raise, and the 4NT in the 2nd auction is natural quantitative. I agree with the possible auctions that gnasher suggested. Given that the 3♦ has taken quite a bit of space, I don't think the 3♠ bid should promise 3+♠ fit as you might've been endplayed by the 3♦. I think I prefer the latter auction where responder bids 3NT on his 2nd turn given it's MPs and I have 2-1 in partner's suits though I can see how easily 6♠ could be making on another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted April 10, 2009 Report Share Posted April 10, 2009 An interesting sequence occurred when I was playing with one of my oft mocked and deprecated clients yesterday: What is your interpretation of these calls and provide a typical hand for each auction: (2/1 setting; 3♦ promises extras) 1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 4♣ and 1♠ - 2♥3♦ - 4N Thanks 4C should be a cuebid with D as trumps. 4NT should be natural and invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think it makes sense to go bid 4D with all Diamond fit hands , keeping both 4C (5-5) and 4NT(quant) as natural and forward going. The question I would then ask, is how strong does the 4♣ have to be to bypass 3NT? Because exactly how much extra does the 3♦ bid promise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think 3D should promiss around 15+. Responder can bid 4C when it looks that 4NT should be safe , so I would say around 15+ if 5-5 , or less with more extreme shapes 6-5, 6-6... Sequences like this are one reason why I think 3D should show real extras , and not just any 5-5 , like some people play. Responder is better placed to judge if he can bypass 3NT , if he knows that opener will provide a good hand even opposite a misfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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