jdaming Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 You hold:[hv=d=w&v=n&s=skq8542hk3dkca763]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Bidding goes:1♦ - P - 1♠ - P1N - P - ???? We are playing 2/1 and it is assumed that we are playing nmf. You are playing with a partner you have never played with and have no "agreements" what do you do. You want to be in game but are unsure how to get there. If you bid NMF you get a minmum hand without 3♠ or 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I rebid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 NMF then 3♠, which should be 100% forcing... I don't see any reason to jump to game yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 NMF then 3♠, which should be 100% forcing... I don't see any reason to jump to game yet...Same here. This fits what I play, 100% forcing and keeps 3NT in the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I prefer playing 3♠ as forcing here, playing the xy-NT convention (a variation of 2-way check-back). However, most people over here play 3♠ as invitational over 1NT and has to go through 2♦ to GF. So, undiscussed, 3♠ would be invitational here (almost all tournament players here use the xy-NT convention). If 3♠ was forcing, I'd rebid that; else GF and rebid 3♠ (whatever route that would be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdaming Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Glad I found the answer thanks all! I saw this site http://www.fernside.com/bridge/SecondRound.html and assumed it to be true :( ... It did seem to have a credible if outdated list of sources. Don't believe everything you read on dem dam internets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I saw this site http://www.fernside.com/bridge/SecondRound.html and assumed it to be true unsure.gif ... It did seem to have a credible if outdated list of sources. Don't believe everything you read on dem dam internets I think you are drawing an improper conclusion. It's perfectly playable to play the jump as forcing & going through nmf as inv. Just the other way is somewhat more popular at the moment. It's just like 2nd round jumps by responder in other sequences, most people now play them invitational, but a minority still prefer them as forcing. The conclusion here isn't "don't believe everything you read" (although that is a good general rule), but "for bridge conventions, don't assume any site is comprehensive & conclusive about how a particular method is played", and "if there is more than one logically coherent method to structure rebids after a convention, people probably have played it more than one way, so you better discuss with your partner to be sure". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 If you can bid 1N with a stiff as I like to play then I would just start with Nmf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 A 4♠ wtp for me. If 1NT could be on a stiff spade, abstain. Refuse to play that way :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Undiscussed, 3S could be anything. In my small sample, most play this as forcing. According to the current edition (2001) of The Official Encyclopedia of Bridge:Jump rebid by responder - These are jump bids short of game by responder at his second turn. The meanings of such bids vary widely. In traditional Standard American all such jump bids were considered forcing, whether or not responder rebids his own suit, supports partner's suit or names a new suit. In the modern style, all such secondary jumps are non-forcing unless they are in a new suit. Some players treat some as forcing and some as non-forcing. The standard meaning of 1C 1H : 1S 3D is forcing in either style. Other possible agreements: 5-5 invitational; splinter; or mini-splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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