jillybean Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ KQJ5 ♥ AKT ♦ J5 ♣ AQ93 West North East South - 3♣ 3♠ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 X for penalties. It will become harder when the bid 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 X for penalties. It will become harder when the bid 4D. Not really, you have enough defense against 4♦ too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I might be influenced by the moon or a bad night sleep. How 'serious' are my partner's pre-empts? If he's on the light side I might agree to double, but if partner should have at least 6HCP then I'm leaning towards 3NT. In fact, it might be easier to make 3NT than to defeat 3♠x, sometimes... My diamond stopper could be: * Txxx, Qxx, Kx(x...), A(x...) in partner's hand.* Blocked diamonds* Diamonds are not led or switched to. So count me in for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Dbl. If opps bid 4♦, dbl that too (and lead a trump, if possible). However, if you can "rely" on opponents to lead and continue spades against 3NT, bid that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 3NT is likely to make but I go for the sure plus. X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I double because I don't want to bid 3NT then get killed in the diamond suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 3N and make 'em find the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Double. I see 800 no matter where they run to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 3N and make 'em find the lead. If they don't find the lead they will win the ace and find the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 3N and make 'em find the lead.I know josh got there first, but in 3N, it's not the lead that will kill you... it's the switch. And considering what we hold, it ain't hard to picture rho with good diamonds... what else can he hold to justify a 3 level overcall? 5♣ is too far away.... requires us not losing the 1st 3 tricks, and so I take the money. By the way, it is unlikely that LHO can or will run.... even if he has a redouble available as SOS, why should he employ it on a near yarborough with, say 1 or 2 spades? My experience suggests that few opps run in these auctions... if they do, we rethink... if LHO runs, he has a stiff or void in spades and I don't like our chances in either red suit... but I will double 4♥ and lead trump if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Double. I see 800 no matter where they run to.[hv=n=sxxxhxxdxckj109xxx&w=shjxxxxxdq10xxxxcx&e=sa109xxxhqxdakxxcx&s=skqjxhak10djxcaqxx]399|300|double, redouble, and they end up in 4♦. Where is your 800 coming from? I am not saying that they are favourites to make whenever they run to diamonds, but to envision 800 requires, in my view, some extraordinarily rose-tinted glassed[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Double. I see 800 no matter where they run to.[hv=n=sxxxhxxdxckj109xxx&w=shjxxxxxdq10xxxxcx&e=sa109xxxhqxdakxxcx&s=skqjxhak10djxcaqxx]399|300|double, redouble, and they end up in 4♦. Where is your 800 coming from? I am not saying that they are favourites to make whenever they run to diamonds, but to envision 800 requires, in my view, some extraordinarily rose-tinted glassed[/hv] I never said 800 for us... :) I still think X is the right move here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Im always wanting to play the hand so I bid 3nt and West didnt double to allow me to escape to 5♣ -150 :blink: [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sh985d76ckjt87642&w=s9864h74dakq842c5&e=sat732hqj632dt93c&s=skqj5haktdj5caq93]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - 3♣ 3♠ 3NT Pass Pass Pass Wow 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman5757 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Double, then double runout to ♦'s. We can probably get it 500, or maybe 800, and if not, 300 isn't a disaster. 3NT would be a much closer call if we were V. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 +100 or 300 is still better than -150 :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Double, then double runout to ♦'s. We can probably get it 500, or maybe 800, and if not, 300 isn't a disaster. 3NT would be a much closer call if we were V. B)I find this post and mtvesuvius' to be almost incomprehensible. If I held the South hand, my thoughts would run along these lines: 1. 5♣ requires that we avoid 3 immediate losers, and my hand strongly argues that this is not going to happen 2. 3N requires that partner have a diamond stopper, and this is extremely unlikely, altho possible 3. Doubling is going to net us a plus score of at least 100 and 300 is the more probable outcome. On a good day, we could get rich, especially if declarer is a weak dummy player. 4. If LHO runs, he will do so based either on a very long suit or or a red two suiter, and will do so only if very short in spades 5. RHO rates to hold good diamonds.. they may not be 4 times, but they rate to be fairly good. 6. If LHO redoubles, and RHO chooses diamonds, where do my defensive tricks come from? I cannot be sure of even one club trick, but let's assume they break 1-1 (partner surely has 7 when I hold the AQxx and partner is in 1st seat). I am not scoring any spade tricks if LHO ran. I am not scoring any trump tricks. So I am doubling on the hope that I can score a club, ny top hearts and..... oh.... I am running out of tricks.. maybe I can score 3 heart tricks AND a club trick? Hmmm...not, wait a second, I am doubling expecting that 'even 300 isn't a DISASTER?" Wtf am I scoring our 5th trick? let alone our 6th? 7. If LHO, rather than redoubling, runs to 4♦, on what is probably a suit that looks like partner's club suit, or worse, what does his hand look like? He will have 7 or more diamonds, 0-1 spade and be VERY pleased with dummy. We need to LISTEN to the auction, rather than merrily count our points. I can just see it: we double and hold them to 4, and whine that 'I had 20 hcp.. how can they ever make 10 tricks?' Heck, on a bad day, they make 6! Imagine rho with 6=1=4=2 and LHO with 1=6=6=0 and partner with 2=3=1=7. Have we never seen a 15 point slam bid and made? So a 16 point partscore should not be a surprise when the bidding TELLS us how the cards may lie. This doesn't mean that I think that doubling 4♦ is an incredibly bad bid... I can understand, altho disagree with, those who argue that that contract rates to go down... but what puzzles me is how any rational bridge player can be so optimistic, and so deaf to the auction, as to imagine 500 or 800 or that '300 isn't a disaster' :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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