lonesome31 Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 MPs, Board 9 (N, White/Red). You are East & your hand as below : ♠Void♥Q8♦A842♣AKQJ1032 North open 3♦(Preempt). What bid is your choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Tough one. I'll go for 5♣, I think it's better for bidding a slam if it's there than 3NT is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd like to point out that you have a lot of losers for 5C. Unless partner has good club support it is unlikely that you can do something about those little diamonds. Of course if partner has a weak spade holding then I might have a lot of losers in 3NT too. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd like to point out that you have a lot of losers for 5C. Unless partner has good club support it is unlikely that you can do something about those little diamonds. Of course if partner has a weak spade holding then I might have a lot of losers in 3NT too. :P I agree, unless partner has a few clubs to go with his diamond shortness. If he is all majors I'm screwed. Then again over 3NT if partner insists on majors you're equally as screwed. I think we can happily agree that whatever action to take is a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Nice problem... I'll try 3NT, but I'm concerned on the hands where partner has a few ♣ and a stiff ♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome31 Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd like to point out that you have a lot of losers for 5C. Unless partner has good club support it is unlikely that you can do something about those little diamonds. Of course if partner has a weak spade holding then I might have a lot of losers in 3NT too. :P Great! I like this one. Next quiz : If you overcall 3NT, & partner response 4NT?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'd overcall 4C. 5C seems like a big overbid, we need partner to cover THREE losers. If he can do that he'll probably bid slam over a 5C bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 w/r I'll settle for 4♣. 3N is too reckless with two open majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOL Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 BTW I think it is pretty close between 4C and 3N. I think 3N will probably make a little more often than 5C, but partner will bid 4S over 3N some of those times ending us up in 5C anyways. If we have a slam I think 4C will be better (partner bidding 4D over that when he would pass 3N), and if we can't make game I think 4C will work better, and if LHO is going to bid 4S I think I'll be happier if I've bid 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 3NT. Go for the game thats likely to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I'd overcall 4C. Don't you play that as a two-suiter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Nice problem... I'll try 3NT, but I'm concerned on the hands where partner has a few ♣ and a stiff ♦. I'm concerned about the hands where partner has a doubleton diamond, and hence LHO is forced to lead a major :(. I'm bidding 3N without much conviction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome31 Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I like 3NT!! Of course, some risk on ♠, but nice gamble. NOW, NEXT STEP : Partner response 4NT when you overcall 3NT?! What is your action? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I like 3NT!! Of course, some risk on ♠, but nice gamble. NOW, NEXT STEP : Partner response 4NT when you overcall 3NT?! What is your action? :) Partner bids 4NT?!?!? Wow. He has a club fit, then. 6♣ works, but we might have a grand. Two major aces and a stiff diamond is probably enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Tough one. I'll go for 5♣, I think it's better for bidding a slam if it's there than 3NT is. What slam? Pard probably has some random 6-5 in the majors. I'll bid 3NT, though 5♣ has the priceless virtue of telling pard "FORGET YOUR 6-6 OR WHAT NOT. I ONLY PLAY CLUBS." :) If pard bids 4NT over 3, I'll pass. Yes, pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Tough one. I'll go for 5♣, I think it's better for bidding a slam if it's there than 3NT is. What slam? Pard probably has some random 6-5 in the majors.Ok Miss Cleo. :) I'll bid 3NT, though 5♣ has the priceless virtue of telling pard "FORGET YOUR 6-6 OR WHAT NOT. I ONLY PLAY CLUBS." B)So isn't that a reason to bid 5♣ based on your earlier prognostication? If pard bids 4NT over 3, I'll pass. Yes, pass.Have you considered hands for partner? I'd rather bid 7♣ than pass. But 6♣ seems right unless you have some idea what 5♦ is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Nuno, I think you are still sleeping this morning B) How on earth can you pass 4NT? I must admit I would not be in this position as 4C over 3NT would be an ask for hand type. Anyway....Give I am bidding 5C to show pd on what my 3NT was based. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome31 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 What mean is partner's 4NT? INVITATION? BLACKWOOD? Or........?I think defined this auction first better. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 1. I'll bid 3NT, though 5♣ has the priceless virtue of telling pard "FORGET YOUR 6-6 OR WHAT NOT. I ONLY PLAY CLUBS." :oSo isn't that a reason to bid 5♣ based on your earlier prognostication? 2. If pard bids 4NT over 3, I'll pass. Yes, pass.Have you considered hands for partner? I'd rather bid 7♣ than pass. But 6♣ seems right unless you have some idea what 5♦ is. I know you keep telling moderators you don't like me breaking up your quotes, but I'm going to do it anyway because I think it's the easiest and cleanest way to reply. Sorry. Issue 1: That is correct. However, I would bid 3NT because pard may pass if his major suit holdings aren't too extreme. Also, if he bids over 3NT, say, 4!d, I can bid 5!c anyway. That auction is more or less equivalent to a direct 5!c overcall, but, by bidding 3NT first, I gave myself the chance to play that contract. Agree this may confuse pard, but being able to play 3NT makes me willing to take that chance. Issue 2: If I'm sure 4NT is an invite to 6, I might try for 6!c now. However, since I'm not sure what a random pard makes of 4NT, I think I'll play it safe (if that's the right word). Pard might have gotten enthousiastic with his goodish 6-5 majors and thinks he can make a slam/grand opposite what he thinks it's something like a 16-19 balanced hand. Maybe this is because my regular pard is constantly bidding 2 tricks above what he should, but hey it's easy to get excited with a shapely hand in an auction like this. Masterminding? Probably. But with preempts you're always guessing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Nuno, I think you are still sleeping this morning :o How on earth can you pass 4NT? I must admit I would not be in this position as 4C over 3NT would be an ask for hand type. Anyway....Give I am bidding 5C to show pd on what my 3NT was based. Pass 4NT: see above. And now a question for you. If you bid 5!c, will pard take that as 0-3 aces or a club suit? :blink: And how sure you are of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Easy 6♣ bid. Tell partner I have a solid club suit and about 8 tricks. If he thinks NT should be best, he can always correct. Not that worried about missing a grand, but 6C could easily be the safer contract if partner has a tenuous holding (non-ace) in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I know you keep telling moderators you don't like me breaking up your quotes, but I'm going to do it anyway because I think it's the easiest and cleanest way to reply. Sorry.You shouldn't claim to know things you don't know. Then if or when you turn out to be wrong you end up looking foolish. But if you want to know instead of guessing so that doesn't happen, I have one time before asked the moderators to ask you not to. Of course you are also aware I have about 50 times before asked you not to. What else can I do? You are apparently too dense to realize that aside from being less effective and more unwieldy than breaking into seperate quoteslikethat you can easily make seperate replies tothisit's a very very bad thing to do, and changes the meaning of what was said. Issue 1: That is correct. However, I would bid 3NT because pard may pass if his major suit holdings aren't too extreme.That's not a reason, he is more likely to pass 5♣ than 3NT if he is all majors. Agree this may confuse pardAgree with who, I never said that. Issue 2: If I'm sure 4NT is an invite to 6, I might try for 6!c now.It is. Masterminding? Probably. But with preempts you're always guessing anyway.Guessing what to bid, sure, such as that 3NT could definitely turn out right. But not guessing what the bids mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 5C. I am not clever enough to bid 3NT, it would not crossmy mind, but I agree, it is most likely the bid with thehighest potential to reach a making game. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I would overcall 5C on the first round. I prefer 4C to 3NT. Having overcalled 3NT for some reason, I bid 6C over partner's 4NT. We might be making 7, but I can't think of any way to say to partner "I have a hand that was totally atypical for 3NT last round but chose it in case it was the only making game, what I really have is a huge club suit, do you happen to have quick tricks in the majors?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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