Vilgan Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Our teammates had a somewhat amusing bidding issue yesterday in the National Swiss. 1♦ - p - 4♥ - p ? They play 4♥ here as exclusion w/ diamonds as trump. The person bidding exclusion has an easy bid, as depending on partners keycards he can easily bid 5♦, 6♦, or 7♦. Their partner had a bit of a quandary over the exclusion bid though, as their hand was: Qxxx ATxx AKxxx void A lot of things ran through her head. She thought about 6♣, for odd number of keycards and a club void.. but she had 2 keycards. 5NT would usually show an even w/ a useful void.. but she's not sure if its useful and partner won't have the space to find out what which suit is the void. She ended up just showing 2, and partner put it in 6. Unfortunately for our team, the void is useful (her partner had KQ in clubs) and its pretty much a trick 1 claim. The heart void in the west hand and the club void in the east hand were not the only voids in the hand. I was sitting S and had a diamond void. My partner was the most "balanced" of those at the table, with a wimpy singleton spade being his shortest suit. Fun hand. None of us had experienced the issue of answering exclusion when we have a void of our own before ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 I'm not showing it, it is extremely likely that partner has very strong clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Seems to me the wrong hand bid exclusion.... :P3♥=void and 5♣ exclusion would work much better.Anyway, 4♥ would be natural for me, so I'd never have the chance to face this dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Considering partner is off the AK of diamonds, it's about 101.9544% he has the ace of clubs. I would just answer two keycards and not show the void. If partner makes any move at all that shows we have all the keycards, then with my extra diamond length, ace, and void, I'm in 7 in a flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 AKA isn't this 3 key cards? Going slowlier is hardly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted March 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 AKA isn't this 3 key cards? Going slowlier is hardly wrong. Its not 3 keycards when partner told us to ignore the A of hearts :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Agree with just showing the two keys. I suppose pard might have A void QJTxxx KQJxxx but this seems against the odds. Interesting treatment of 4♥ by the way. I'm quite sure I don't like it. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Considering partner is off the AK of diamonds, it's about 101.9544% he has the ace of clubs. Do you get to use the additional 1.9544% as carryover? Agree with showing the 2 non-heart key cards and ignoring the void. This treatment looks like it will lead to a monumental disaster someday (1♦ - 4♥ - All Pass). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 AKA isn't this 3 key cards? Going slowlier is hardly wrong. Its not 3 keycards when partner told us to ignore the A of hearts :) ooops, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Considering partner is off the AK of diamonds, it's about 101.9544% he has the ace of clubs. Do you get to use the additional 1.9544% as carryover? Agree with showing the 2 non-heart key cards and ignoring the void. This treatment looks like it will lead to a monumental disaster someday (1♦ - 4♥ - All Pass). I have had that disaster. 1♥ p 1♠ p 5♦ all pass. I would never make that 5♦ bid no matter what it meant, but believe it or not we had specifically discussed it and partner still forgot haha. Obviously I got my percentage because there is an extremely slight chance partner doesn't have the ace of clubs, so I couldn't go up to 110%. I don't blame you for not seeing it, math can be tricky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I would show the void. It hardly costs space, sometimes it may be useful, and at the very least it will tell partner we have more than 3 trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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