Hanoi5 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 You hold: ♠Kxxx♥Txx♦Txxx♣xx All Red, bidding goes:1♦ X 3♣* PaPa X Pa 3♠4♣ X Pa ??? 3♣ was weak, it's a Swiss tournament, next to last round, second table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I have a balanced crap hand and partner thinks 4♣ isn't making if I have a balanced crap hand. I agree with partner and pass. This is an easy decision but they might make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Lead a spade :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It's not my problem if partner should have bid 4♠ (and I suspect that he should have based on the auction). However, his double is 100% penalty (he has doubled for takeout twice and we have now bid a suit; any subsequent doubles are penalty-oriented). There's nothing unusual about our hand that tells us we are better off pulling and we even have a possible trick. So who are we to argue with partner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 his double is 100% penalty Disagree. He is suggesting a 3451 shape and I am allowed to use my judgment. With no fivecard the decision is easy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 His doubles are: t/o, extras and more extras in that order. The 3rd double in particular has heard you are minimum with preference for spades, yet he still has no clear idea of where to play. You can bid again with extra shape in the form of extra spade length, or a long, undisclosed side-suit. But lacking those, you're default action is to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Partner's first double already promised something in clubs or a very strong hand. With the very strong hands, he would have bid a suit (single suiters), some number of NT (balanced hands) or cuebid (either on the first round or later) if he wasn't prepared to defend 3♣X. Since he didn't, he was already prepared to defend 3♣X if we would have had a few clubs and a misfit. He must be willing to defend 4♣X now. I would say down two, and we don't make anything. Of course, if you would have the hand for it (e.g. a weak hand with lots of major cards), you are allowed to pull the double. But you don't have such a hand. BTW, partner cannot turn up with short clubs and long diamonds (as Helene suggests). In that case he would have passed over 1♦. (After all, what was he going to bid if you would have bid clubs?) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 his double is 100% penalty Disagree. He is suggesting a 3451 shape and I am allowed to use my judgment. With no fivecard the decision is easy, though. My partners would not be making an initial takeout double of 1D while holding 5 diamonds and only 1 club (and a hand that is now supposedly good enough to be willing to play on the four level, as this hand would have made a trap pass of 1D)......and that appears (to me) to be what you are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Double of 3♣ was penalty in my book (he made a take-out double of diamonds, that means he has clubs himself). Now he's doubled 4♣? I'm pleased I have what may well be a defensive trick and a couple of trumps, both of which are more than he can expect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The problem here isn't to apply your book to the situation, but rather guess what pard's book is :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm not used to unilateral penalty doubles of partscores by an unpassed hand that hasn't heard anything from partner.So for me, X of 3♣ was take-out of clubs. X of 4♣ is in principle still for take-out but he is oriented towards defending, since he couldn't raise spades. A strong 3442 would bid like this. With flat distribution I have an easy pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Partner has certainly made at least one penalty double and we have a king and 2 trumps more than we promised. That makes it a clear pass in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Swishing. Pard will be happy I can contribute something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 The first double was takeout, the second double showed values (probably not with a lot of clubs). The third double shows an even better hand and tends to deny 4 spades. We have an easy pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 My partners would not be making an initial takeout double of 1D while holding 5 diamonds and only 1 club Sorry, I must have been asleep, I thought he had been doubling clubs all the time. You are right of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Another WTP pass ..we have bid our hand allready via our first pass then forced 3♠. PD's final double should say that he expects to beat them even if we are broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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