VegasVern Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skq865hqdkqjcq987]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] The bidding: I deal and open 1♠ 1♠ 2♥ 4♠ PP 5♥ P PP I'm wondering how ya'll would bid this hand. I'll put up partner's hand tomorrow. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 1♠pp this is fine i looked up the hand. your p misbid blatantly... twice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Yeah, from our point of view, everything's as normal as it gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 4♠ doesn't help pard in terms of values. Start with a 3♥ cuebid or a 4m fit jump if this is responder's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'd do the same thing with your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasVern Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 1♠pp this is fine i looked up the hand. your p misbid blatantly... twice... How did you look up the hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 How did you look up the hand? http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/index.php Now that I've looked it up, your partner should have bid 3♥ over 2♥ showing a limit raise or better. At the very least he should have doubled 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasVern Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=skq865hqdkqtcq987&s=sa43ht52d94cakjt6]133|200|Scoring: MP[/hv] The Bidding. I'm North and open 1♠ 1♠ 2♥ 4♠ PP 5♥ P P P Here are both hands. I have a couple of questions. I thought partner's raise to 4♠ was weakish, hence the reason I didn't bid 5♠ or double, although double still felt right. (We set them 2, and should have set them 3, but since we were vulnerable vs not 4 or 5 spades making was the better contract.) Is it correct to cuebid 3♥ with partner's hand only holding 3 trump? If a cuebid is wrong then what would be the proper bid? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I thought partner's raise to 4♠ was weakish, hence the reason I didn't bid 5♠ or doubleCorrectIs it correct to cuebid 3♥ with partner's hand only holding 3 trump?Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I might have bid 3♣ with responder's hand over 2♥, and showed my ♠ support later. That does approximately the same job, but you might find 5♠ that way instead of 5♥ doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I bid a natural forcing 3♣ here. Then when I come back with 4♠, pard is much better placed to double or bid on. I'm not a fan of denying biddible five card suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Keylime, you are OK here because you hold spades the master suit, but I do think it would be a problem if you had hearts and the opponents have spades 1H-1S-2C-4S now you would be in a very awkward position with 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Keylime, you are OK here because you hold spades the master suit, but I do think it would be a problem if you had hearts and the opponents have spades 1H-1S-2C-4S now you would be in a very awkward position with 3 card support.It's worse than that. Assume 1♠ [2♥] 3♣ [5♥], which is not uncommon with a hand that was going to bid 5♥ over a spade raise. Generally, if we can anticipate competition, and we have nothing more than gf values, it is useful to show the fit immediately.. of course, with say 4=5 shape in the blacks, we can do this via a fit jump, which is one reason fit jumps are so popular. With this hand, with no real slam interest, I would prefer the cue bid limit or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 #1 Usually 4S is a preemptive raise, you have to agree on this, but it would be the standard meaning for players from a certain level upwards. This assumes a unlimited 1S opener, playing a limited opening, 4S could be far more wideranging, but make sure, you know, what to do, if they bid over 4S.#2 The cue just showes fit and inv. strength. There are systems out there, which allow you to differentiate between 3 card / 4 card support, but they are certainly not standart. This is luxury, nice if it comes up, but not really needed.#3 After 5H your partner was enplayed, he needed to guess right. But given the opponents bidding I would double if I could find the smallest excue, you have a responsibilty to teach them. The guy wanted to play 2H, not 4H, and now over 4S wants to play 5H, and his partner never say anything, double. => On this ground opener could also double, but it is of course less clear, but I would be willing to pay as opener, if the double turned out to be wrong. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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