Phil Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 MPs ♠QTx ♥ATx ♦JT ♣AKQTx 1N - 2♦2♥ - 2N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I am going to stick with the field and bid 4♥ not because I think my cardplay is much better than theirs, but simply because I think that is the contract that will bring me the most matchpoints in the long run. I am not rejecting the invitation because there are a lot of 17 counts that are worse than this one, especially given the fit. I am not bidding 3NT because it can easily go down and even if not, it is quite likely that we have 1 more trick in hearts than nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 This surely is an easy 4H bid. We have 3-card support, a doubleton, an excellent 5-card suit, a sixteen count and 4 tens! Did I mention the excellent 5-card suit? 3NT would not have occured to me. Having thought about it I think it is really bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 what han said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 This surely is an easy 4H bid. We have 3-card support, a doubleton, an excellent 5-card suit, a sixteen count and 4 tens! Did I mention the excellent 5-card suit? 3NT would not have occured to me. Having thought about it I think it is really bad. I agree.Partner said he wants to play in H if we have a fit. We have a fit and are even unbalanced and no stop in D.The only time I would consider not going back to H with a 3 card is if I have 3 mall H and good stops in the other suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I don't see a good reason to bid anything else than 4♥. ~snip~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Opening 1NT vs 1♣ is a more difficult decision imo Was this supposed to be sarcastic? Sorry if it passed me by but opening 1♣ is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Opening 1NT vs 1♣ is a more difficult decision imo Was this supposed to be sarcastic? Sorry if it passed me by but opening 1♣ is ridiculous. Woops, thought it was ♣AKQJx which makes the hand 17HCP... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Looks like one of the more obvious 4♥ bids ever. Good trumps, good 5-bagger, JT, QTx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I think the JT, QTx, and the pre-established club suit all argue for 3NT, but I'd still bid 4H because of the minimal combined point-count (which makes it more likely that we'll be wide open in diamonds, or won't be able to establish hearts). If partner had bid 3NT I might pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonesome31 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 4♥I worry about ♦ when play 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 3NT would not have occured to me. Having thought about it I think it is really bad. I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it. Let's just say I think it's likely that 4H is a better game than 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I join the group to whom 3NT would not particularly have occured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It occurred to me LOL. I guess those 10's looked really good for 3N, but pard had Axx QJ9xx xx Jxx. I ran a few sims and for 3N to be right we need running hearts and a diamond stop (and sometimes that creates a spade problem), which is just too much of a parlay. By the way, nothing makes here with accurate defense. Some of the field didn't invite so any minus is below average. My pard suggested 3♥ by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I might bid 3♣, but will likely land in 4♥. Field protection hand for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 pard had Axx QJ9xx xx Jxx. By the way, nothing makes here with accurate defense. Some of the field didn't invite so any minus is below average. My pard suggested 3♥ by the way. Maybe nothing makes at the table, but you certainly want to be in 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Phil, I think your partner is resulting. Both of your bids are completely normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 By the way, nothing makes here with accurate defense. Some of the field didn't invite so any minus is below average. My pard suggested 3♥ by the way. 3♥ didn't occur to me at all. It only would if I knew partner bid games with an invite and invited with just short of an invitational hand. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Phil, I will do a simulation tonight. I will give partner an 8-count (5332) or 25(42). I suspect the double dummy odds for 4H are slightly above 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I guess I don't understand why someone would even play jacoby transfers if they are not choosing hearts with ATx and an unstopped doubleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I guess I don't understand why someone would even play jacoby transfers if they are not choosing hearts with ATx and an unstopped doubleton. The unstopped doubleton has secondary honors, so partner (who rates to have some length and points in diamonds) is less likely to need a 3rd-round ruff. The HA is another indicator for 3nt, since it means you'll be able to establish heart tricks without losing the lead too many times. The HT makes trump-promotion plays less likely, but also improves the chances of establishing heart tricks at NT. Although I would bid 4H at matchpts, I think I might bid 3NT at imps. If partner had bid 3NT instead I would certainly pass at imps, and perhaps also at matchpts. Anyway, Han, I'm interested in the results of a sim; what are the chances that hearts are 2 tricks, 1 trick, or zero tricks better than NT when partner has 8-9 or 10-14 HCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I dealt 1000 hands, partner holding 8 HCP every time and 1-3 spades, 5 hearts, 1-4 diamonds and 1-4 clubs. 4H made on 43% of them. 4H was better than 3NT on 625 hands, worse on 297 hands and equal on 78. Of course if you expect partner to have 9 HCP often then the percentage of hands where 4H will make should be higher. The difference between 3NT and 4H was so large that I didn't think it was worth to rerun for 9 HCP. Keep in mind that these are double dummy results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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