qwery_hi Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Your predictions for the Vanderbilt. I'm asking for The top 8, if this thread gathers enough replies I'll make a spreadsheet to use to determine the winner. Anyone know of a good scoring method for predictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlRitner Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Take a look at what they do for NCAA March Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I'm waiting for Zia vs Rosenberg. I'm on Rosenberg's side here :lol: My prediction for the final 8 will be. #16 Rosenberg#2 Cayne#14 Pczszola#13 Mahaffey#5 Rubin#6 Katz#7 Meltzer#8 O'Rourke The most horrible draw is #5, which includes: #12 Diamond (starring Gitelman - Moss, Greco - Hampson)#28 Ivatury (with Henner-Welland and 4 Dutch stars)#53 Chinese Women Team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I think, there will be the same procedure as every year = 6 star teams + 2 outsiders in QF's, and then will be deciding only the "day performance". I would bet a coke on team Gromov as I always do, but they gave up their strong 4-handed line up, so I dont think, they have a real chance this time. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Where can I find the lineups? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Where can I find the lineups?http://www.acbl.org/nabc/rosters/2009/01/VANDPRS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 I will go out on a limb here and put my money on Nickell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Would love to see Rosenberg's team play and do well against Nickell's. Would also like to see teams with Chris Willenken and Migry, Chip Martel, Joe Grue, Uday and Josh Sher do well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 My elite 8 guess: 1. Nickell2. Cayne3. (19) Onstott4. Welland5. (12) Diamond6. (22) Deutsch7. (10) Gromov8. (25) Rosenthal with final 4:NickellCayneOnstottDiamond Finals: Nickell over Onstott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Team 46 is my wild card choice. I will go out on a limb and pick teams 1-7 to get to final 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Which round of 32 match do you want to see on Vugraph? Round of 16? You might even have some influence, except for those of you who foolishly predicted that Strul would be upset :P Or is that highjacking and I should start a new thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well, I'll come out and say it. Of course people are picking Fred's team to advance far because, well I can be honest, two of the pairs are g0dly. But that third pair seems to me not up to the normal standards of the pairs he teams with, even for a third pair (nothing against them of course!) Anyway of course I pick Nickell. And I root for team 29 while hoping they don't miss me too much. Another team of interest to me is 10. Two of the strongest pairs there are, and a pair of ladies I have never heard of. I'm very curious to see how they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Another team of interest to me is 10. Two of the strongest pairs there are, and a pair of ladies I have never heard of. I'm very curious to see how they do. Aberlour10 Posted on Mar 15 2009, 10:56 AM [...]I would bet a coke on team Gromov as I always do, but they gave up their strong 4-handed line up, so I dont think, they have a real chance this time. Robert they have Gromovs wife and her partner in their team for years now. the ladies play far less boards then the others, but they were members of the team that won silver in transnationals 2007 in shanghai etc. also in the NABC events they officially were teammembers - so team 10 will be as strong as always my favs outside the top 8 seeded are team (additional to 10) 11 with Fredin-Fallenius and Gawrys-Lesniewski and the Teams with the Dutch players in (17 and 28) - How can Brink-Drijver be seeded 28? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 How can Brink-Drijver be seeded 28? It's based on ACBL results only. And theirs haven't been anything special, at least not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Which round of 32 match do you want to see on Vugraph? Round of 16? You might even have some influence, except for those of you who foolishly predicted that Strul would be upset :P Or is that highjacking and I should start a new thread? 16-17 with Rosenbergs and Auken-Van Arnim against Dutch will be highlight in that wound of 32 IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Joe Grue, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Which round of 32 match do you want to see on Vugraph? Round of 16? You might even have some influence, except for those of you who foolishly predicted that Strul would be upset :P Or is that highjacking and I should start a new thread? What did they do with 71 teams? Seems like spending a whole day to reduce 71 to 64 isn't ideal. And, reducing to 32 involves some of those 3-ways with one survivor things (or similar). Byes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Which round of 32 match do you want to see on Vugraph? Round of 16? You might even have some influence, except for those of you who foolishly predicted that Strul would be upset :P Or is that highjacking and I should start a new thread? What did they do with 71 teams? Seems like spending a whole day to reduce 71 to 64 isn't ideal. And, reducing to 32 involves some of those 3-ways with one survivor things (or similar). Byes? Tim, you are correct but in talking with several teams they really do not seem to mind that much. In fact I would guess that the bottom 50% are excited and look forward to playing. btw side note I know several nontop teams play 32 bds on sunday afternoon..if they win they advance to 64 on monday. If they lose they play a new team of 32 bds sunday night to advance to monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Tim, you are correct I'm still not sure what the format was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbush Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 A guess here based on what I saw in earlier Spingold. Top 43 teams get a bye. The other 28 teams are divided into 7 groups of 4, and play 4-ways with 3 survivors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well, I'll come out and say it. Of course people are picking Fred's team to advance far because, well I can be honest, two of the pairs are g0dly. But that third pair seems to me not up to the normal standards of the pairs he teams with, even for a third pair (nothing against them of course!)IMO the third pair you refer to, John Diamond and Brian Platnick, are quite likely the strongest "sponsor pair" in the event. When Geoff Hampson and I, playing for Canada, lost in the finals of the World Junior Championships in 1991, John and Brian played all the boards for the USA team that won the Gold Medal. My current partner, Brad Moss, was playing on the other USA team in that event (they finished 4th I think). The 6th member of our current team, Eric Greco, did not play in that particular WJC - he is several years younger than the rest of us. For me it is very strange, at 44, to be the oldest player on my current team :P Neither John nor Brian have played a lot of bridge since they were juniors which may be why you have not seen their names that much, but they have been working very hard on the partnership during the last year or so. Not sure if you noticed but John and Brian finished 4th in the National Open Pairs that ended on Saturday. Anyways, even if you are not impressed by this, you may choose to take my word for it: these guys are GOOD. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Well it's not like I want to go out of my way to have a long discussion to put someone down anyway. Suffice to say I definitely take your word for it, that what I thought was based on nothing more than my perception of their results, and that I hope you do well enough to doubly prove me wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Last 8: 1. Nickell2. Cayne3. Strul4. Welland7. Meltzer8. O'Rourke9. Lynch10.Gromov Gromov, on the assumption that Tomi2 is correct and they are essentially playing as a team of 4. If Gromov regularly plays all 3 of their pairs, I will pick (12) Diamond instead. Don't know about the draw, so perhaps it is not possible for all 8 of these teams to get through. I would be interested in seeing any of the above teams in action in the round of 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Don't know about the draw, so perhaps it is not possible for all 8 of these teams to get through. In the round of 16: 1 v 16, 2 v 15, 3 v 14,..., 7 v 10, 8 v 9. So, 7 & 10 can't both make it to the round of 8, neither can 8 & 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanM Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 A guess here based on what I saw in earlier Spingold. Top 43 teams get a bye. The other 28 teams are divided into 7 groups of 4, and play 4-ways with 3 survivors?Correct. And some of us agree that using an entire day to eliminate 7 teams is silly, but it appears that the majority like it. QUOTE (Tomi2 @ Mar 15 2009, 07:30 PM)How can Brink-Drijver be seeded 28? It's based on ACBL results only. And theirs haven't been anything special, at least not yet.This, on the other hand, is not correct. Foreign pairs are assigned seeding points for the Vanderbilt & Spingold based on their results in International events - those points decay in the same way as do regular seeding points (by 10% a year) and are (presumably) replaced by earned points. I'm not sure how long Brink & Drijver have been playing in US events, but I don't think it's long enough for all of their assigned points to have gone away. Ramondt & Westra may have been playing here long enough not to have any "foreigner" points remaining. The other pair has relatively few seeding points. Seeding is based on the average of the team, and the fields keep getting deeper and deeper. Also, the teams are "tossed" in groups, so 28 was in the 25-28 group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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