Hanoi5 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 W/R, holding: ♠T8xxx♥KT8x♦---♣JTxx Bidding goes: Pass 1NT x 2♣Pass 2♥ 3♦ ??? Your 2♣ was stayman, of course and their double was DONT, 3♦ is their suit. Your call and why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Pass. By the way, I don't like your options - I "haven't bid too much already."Bidding 3H over a Dont bid would be invitational for me, and anyway, I am not pushing to the 3 level on an 8 card fit when trumps are likely to break badly anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'll go with 3♥, not caring much if pard raises it or not. Hand has a lot of playing potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 3♥ looks normal. It also looks normal for 3♥ to be competitive here, rather than strictly invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 3H down the middle. I wouldn't even mind if 3H here was treated as invitational, since my void can be easily compensated for trump tricks. I would just hate to give in to 3D when we have an 8 or a possible 9 card fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Would it change your choice had the bidding gone: Pa Pa 1N X2♣ Pa 2♥ 3♦??? Does the fact that you passed at the start change anything? What do the 4♥ bidders say? What would you do if you passed 3♦ and your partner doubled? Would you open the hand we're discussing with 2♠ showing 5♠'s and a minor? How would you make somebody understand it's a bad bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Before I can answer your question, I'd like to know your agreements about the Stayman convention and the NT-range.For a lot of player Stayman is a GF bid. If this is the case, I won't be able to stop anyway, so I should make sure we're on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 3H, not invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I think they call it scrambling stayman and some answers are passable of course, I mean stayman is not FG. 1NT is 15-17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 3♥, if partner takes it as invitational game may have a play. If partner correctly takes it as to play, mission accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 3♥ not invitational, and yet if partner bids game over it I am not unhappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Before I can answer your question, I'd like to know your agreements about the Stayman convention and the NT-range.For a lot of player Stayman is a GF bid. If this is the case, I won't be able to stop anyway, so I should make sure we're on the right track. You are the first and only person of whom I know, who plays or even suggests that Stayman is a GF bid. I am going toake your statement about "a lot of players" with a large grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 W/R, holding: ♠T8xxx♥KT8x♦---♣JTxx Bidding goes: Pass 1NT x 2♣Pass 2♥ 3♦ ??? Your 2♣ was stayman, of course and their double was DONT, 3♦ is their suit. Your call and why. 1) I do not understand....the opp say they have clubs and other or what is x? If one suited..I got suits........2) I have clubs and other3) How do I defend?4) cannot i xx and make a forcing pass wait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 in any event if 1nt=x=dont thenI bid 2h=trfr to spades...I expect the bidding is not over......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties. Curious to see how those who claim 3♥ is invitational actually compete. Obviously we can't do everything. I'm happy to bid game on most invites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.With an invitational hand I'd just bid game. In the auction 1♥ (3♦)don't you play 3♥ as competitive, and bid game on hands that would have invited in an uncontested auction? If so, why is this different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties. When the opponent's compete then we can't always invite. Maybe some authority should classify this overcalling as destructive so that our side can bid more accurately without interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.With an invitational hand I'd just bid game. In the auction 1♥ (3♦)don't you play 3♥ as competitive, and bid game on hands that would have invited in an uncontested auction? If so, why is this different? No I wouldn't Gnasher. If you bid this way you are allowing you opponents to bully you into bidding poor games. You will get a reputation for this, and it will happen with increasing frequency. For me a 3H bid here would always be invitational - always has ben, always will be; and every partner I have ever played with agrees wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Obvious 3♥ bid for me. It's competitive only - we have no invites here. (If partner raises to game, I'm not unhappy about it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 :P 3♥ :P Almost surely, we have eight hearts and they have nine diamonds, at least. Adding my void, this adds up to 18 tricks, LESS any non-transferable diamond tricks partner may have in defense of a diamond contract. Odds are good that this is an 18+ trick hand, so a 3♥ bid is advisable. On a bad day, pard will have QJ9x in ♦, but I have to risk that, since pard will usually have no idea what to do if I pass. If pard bids 4♥, he should have a super hand and some play to make it: AJAQ10x10xxxKQx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Curious as to how those who claim 3H is not invitational actually invite. A double of 3D here would be penalties.With an invitational hand I'd just bid game. In the auction 1♥ (3♦)don't you play 3♥ as competitive, and bid game on hands that would have invited in an uncontested auction? If so, why is this different? Hi, there was a thread in the forum discussing to use X as the showingan inv. raise to 3H.It was said, that this was suggested by Lawrence. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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