kfay Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 It's the 5th round of Sunday Swiss. Your team shot into 1st after rounds 1 and 2, but 3 and 4 didn't go well. Here is the 1st board from round 5. The books have your opponents going on to win the tournament now but if you could go back and change what happened on this board maybe the fates would fall differently. [hv=v=n&s=sakjxxhkdq10xcxxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] You open 1♠ in 1st seat (agree).... when partner yells 'DIRECTOR!' and you look down to see that you are actually in 4th seat. Opps aren't nice and decide not to accept the bid. So, partner being barred (for the entire auction), the bidding proceeds: (1♦)-P-(1♥)-? Well... can't change that now. But what do you do? Edited: Keep in mind (Kaplan) that if you don't bid spades at some point the opponents will have rights later on that you might not like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) I don't open out of turn of course! :) Provided that I did, I'll pass. Edit: I thought about this in a little more depth, and I'll bid 1♠ to remove all the lead penalties from partner. I have no other reason for bidding 1♠ really, but the UI penalties are nullified when I bid 1♠ now. Edited March 10, 2009 by mtvesuvius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'll try 3S, and remember to write on my forehead "DON'T BID OUT OF TURN" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'll try 3S, and remember to write on my forehead "DON'T BID OUT OF TURN" you can't read it there :). As long as I know the penalty is partner must pass only for the first round of the bidding, and I havean easy 1♠ overcall to make everything normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I bid 1♠ to remove any UI problems from partner, or at least most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I would bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Also 2S, 1S is completely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Any 2♠ bidder worried about later UI from partner knowing you are too good for your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Are we supposed to say no when we are not or should we just not answer? Not completely clear the way you phrased your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Any 2♠ bidder worried about later UI from partner knowing you are too good for your bid? I guess there are some implications of this (I didn't think of it when I said I'd bid 2♠), but there are also implications for overcalling anyway (partner knows we have a very very sound overcall). Anyway it is authorized information to everyone that partner is barred, so everyone knows that I could be bidding 2♠ on a wide variety of hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I don't really have anything meaningful to contribute, I just wanted to say that this thread is the first time I have seen a truly appropriate use of the ???? option in the dealer field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I would try 3 Spade. Of course 1 or 4 Spade can be the winner, but I won't make it too easy for them to find their fit at the right level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Are we supposed to say no when we are not or should we just not answer? Not completely clear the way you phrased your question. I don't mean it sarcastically, it was genuinely the reason I didn't bid 2♠, which I think bridgewise is more effective than 1♠. Sure partner also knows the 1♠ overcall is sound, but at least we are in range for it, we are totally outside the range for 2. So that's a big difference to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 2♠ for me, so they don't have any easy support Dbl available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'll try 3S, and remember to write on my forehead "DON'T BID OUT OF TURN" you can't read it there :). As long as I know the penalty is partner must pass only for the first round of the bidding, and I havean easy 1♠ overcall to make everything normal.This is true when it was RHO's opening bid. If it is LHO or partner to open, then your partner is barred for the entire auction. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASkolnick Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 JDonn, I don't think this is UI anymore. Everyone saw you opened out of turn, the penalties are already in place. Partner is barred. He is still going to lead a spade, so you might as well make it difficult for the opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'll try 3S, and remember to write on my forehead "DON'T BID OUT OF TURN" Write it on partner's forehead instead. It will be easier to see. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 JDonn, I don't think this is UI anymore. Everyone saw you opened out of turn, the penalties are already in place. Partner is barred. He is still going to lead a spade, so you might as well make it difficult for the opponents. Well it obviously doesn't matter on opening lead. I was talking about it with Clee last night, he convinced me the UI would be duplicated by the AI that partner is barred so our bid could be anything, but of course that still doesn't allow him to later take advantage of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I'll try 3S, and remember to write on my forehead "DON'T BID OUT OF TURN" Write it on partner's forehead instead. It will be easier to see. :P My partners will wash the message off :(. At least I'll remember I wrote it on. In the worst case scenario, I don't think the laws say anything about using a mirror :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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