bid_em_up Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 [hv=s=skjhaq96543d53c104]133|100|Both vul.RHO deals and passes. Your bid?[/hv] Tylere and I played yesterday in a local sectional. While we had a good (and enjoyable) game in both sessions, there were several problem hands that I'd like to present. This is one of them. (If it matters, you are playing a 2/1 system with normally sound openings in 1st/2nd seats) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 1 for me. However, playing sound openings, I'm leaning towards 3; but I don't open soundly so I don't run into this problem ;). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 1 for me too. If I had shortness, I'd open 4, but I hate preempting 4 with 7222 and the hand isn't a 3 bid either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 2♥. I'm allowed to have a max, as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 3 ♥. In this seat position, and at this vulnerability, partner will expect a decent hand for this call, so I'm not worried about missing anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'll also go 3 at this seat and vul. I think most of my friends would be very surprised to hear me say that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Looked like a normal 1♥ bid to me. To Josh, the answer is yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 1♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 3♥ for me. I am red in 2nd seat and allowed to have this good of a hand and the KJ dblton is a clear defect as is 7222 so I just don't see this as 1♥ although it is close. If I get killed in 3♥x so be it, and at least the opps may have missed their 600 or 620. 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I agree with the majority that this hand is 1 or 3 HEart. With sound openers, 3 ♥ is fine, so I would choose this in a 2/1 context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 3 ♥. In this seat position, and at this vulnerability, partner will expect a decent hand for this call, so I'm not worried about missing anything. Same for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 If you open 1♥, do you realize that you do not satisfy the rule-of-20 even remotely? (♠J is worth about 0 points). This is asking for lots of game contracts going down. 2♥ is asking for missed games. Partner will expect 1 full trick less. 3♥ middle of the road. I would open this even if I had 2♥ as 10-13 available.Right on values if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I just noticed those are 7 hearts. Well, that makes 3♥ a standout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 If you open 1♥, do you realize that you do not satisfy the rule-of-20 even remotely? Tempting just to LOL this 'reasoning', but I will try to behave... :) It didn't (doesn't) occur to me to consider this 'Rule of 20 TM' before opening the bidding. Is that very wrong of me? Actually, I don't hate a 3♥ opening, but my (fairly strong) preference is for a 1♥ opening. If you open 3♥, do you realize that you can go for 1400? OK, I am pretty sure that the 3♥ bidders did notice that they are 7222 with no spots, but judged to open 3♥ anyway. Fair enough, and that is how we decide what to open - we weigh the good and bad outcomes for each option, and make a decision. We (hopefully) don't just apply a silly Rule, and display shock when other people make a decision that differs from our Rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 If you open 3♥, do you realize that you can go for 1400? Been seeing too many horror movies lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's. Sorry Tyler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's. Sorry Tyler. Well... There's a good reason why there are no votes for 4♥ :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's. Sorry Tyler. Lol, erm, if you say so. Sure you don't have the blame rotated 180 degrees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I would open 1♥, I think none of my friends would be very surprised to hear me say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I'm ashamed to admit that I opened 4H for one of our few zero's. Sorry Tyler. Lol, erm, if you say so. Sure you don't have the blame rotated 180 degrees? I might. :) Seriously, there is no "blame" here. I just think it would be beneficial for people to see the thoughts of others as to why 1, 2, or 3 hearts are all acceptable and reasonable bids (and possibly even pass), but it should never be opened 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 One of my quirks I enjoy is finding a hand where opening 1 2 3 or 4 of a suit are all reasonable. It's very difficult. This is a 1 2 or 3 hand which is relatively uncommon. 1 3 or 4, 2 3 or 4, and 1 2 or 4 hands all exist (usually are pretty shapely) but it's quite rare to get a reasonable amount of votes for all four options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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