Cascade Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=skq87ha103dkj6cakj]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1♥) Pass (2♠*) ? * 0-? "Less than an opening hand" "yes it could be nought"[/hv] I found this one tough. My options seemed to be 3NT or an underbid of 2NT. I even flirted with PASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Looks like an obvious x to me. Don't like any of your options Wayne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Looks like an obvious x to me. Don't like any of your options Wayne. Sure double is an option too. But it is hardly ideal. You offer partner a choice of two three-card suits (minors) and will probably have to guess on the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 The worst normal shape that pard can have is 2344, but, even with a 5 card minor, pard is bound to bid a mere 3m (or 2NT+3m, if you play leb here), leaving you with a guess anyway. So I prefer a 2NT underbid. Given the flat shape and bad HCP placement, you don't want pard to bid over this with 4-5 hcp anyway. If he bids 3, you're virtually a lock for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I don't see the point of double unless it's penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 3N for me at IMPS and MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 3NT... It may make, it may go down. It's a risk I will take at IMPs and even MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 3NT. Trying to cater for the hands, where there is exactly eight tricks in NT, is much to ambitious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I pass, would bid if the opponents were NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 X, followed by 3NT. The question is, if 2NT in this sitiuation is natural,I dont know, and I dont know, if 3NT is naturaleither, so I would go via the route X, followed by3NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 3NT for me. 2NT is not unreasonable but it seems too heavy. I understand someone considering pass but think it is too pessimistic. And I don't think double is a bad bid since partner is certainly allowed to be very weak with a five or six card minor, but I think it's shooting at too small a target. I think that covers everything. So I prefer 3NT but there are other fair alternatives, and even though i flirted with pass in my mind it is my least favorite choice in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't see the point of double unless it's penalties. Don't you? Well then I guess you don't play Lebensohl in these auctions. On the other hand, I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted March 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't see the point of double unless it's penalties. Don't you? Well then I guess you don't play Lebensohl in these auctions. On the other hand, I do. I am not sure where your cut off is for Lebensohl but it seems it would only partially solve the problem here. Normally 3-level bids start at around 7-8 HCP when I have played Lebensohl in this sort of situation. Here there are many 4-6 HCP where 3NT might be reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't see the point of double unless it's penalties. Don't you? Well then I guess you don't play Lebensohl in these auctions. On the other hand, I do. I am not sure where your cut off is for Lebensohl but it seems it would only partially solve the problem here. Normally 3-level bids start at around 7-8 HCP when I have played Lebensohl in this sort of situation. Here there are many 4-6 HCP where 3NT might be reasonable. There are just enough available points for partner to bid 3m here Wayne, and if she does, well...If she bids via 2NT you ca still bid 3NT - what have you lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 3NT for me. Partner with 4-6 pts won't be bidding game so you have to bid it yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 There' no middle way here (dbl or 2NT) because you cannot involve partner in a decision here, it's only high-way 3NT and low-way pass. My choice is the low-way pass because:- we do not have a source of tricks-A10x may be a illusory second stopper in ♥-the spade length will provide maximum 2 tricks for us-there's a bigger probability that partner is in 1-3 hcp range rather than 4-6 hcp range-the win/loss raport is not in favour of bidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 There' no middle way here (dbl or 2NT) because you cannot involve partner in a decision here, it's only high-way 3NT and low-way pass. I agree 100% My choice is the low-way pass because:- we do not have a source of tricks-A10x may be a illusory second stopper in ♥-the spade length will provide maximum 2 tricks for us-there's a bigger probability that partner is in 1-3 hcp range rather than 4-6 hcp range-the win/loss raport is not in favour of bidding A lot of fair points, but: - Source of tricks. (You are right, but partner might have.)- Illusory stopper. (We know partner is very likely to have at least 3 hearts, and hearts might not be lead.)- Spade lenght. (They are stoppers, not tricks.)- Probabilety. (That might be, but the win is bigger when we are right. And there is 8 points floating out there.)- Win/loss raport. (This is not an argument, but a conclusion based on the above arguments. I obviously disagree, as I bid 3NT. Pass could easily work out though, and I would never claim it to be a mistake. I'd rather call it a bold bid.) Playing Lebensohl will do us no good (if we double), as partner will base his bid on us holding something that resembles 15 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Is xx,Qxx,Qxxxx,xxx too much to hope for? And there are worse hands which have good chances. 3 NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Imo, big hands with no clear direction and tolerance for the other suits should always start with double. Get thru this round of bidding first and then worry about it later after seeing what partner does over the double. (Wayne, I think your extra strength more than compensates for "only having 3 card support for either minor"). jmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 I don't really get the point of doubling. Suppose you play lebensohl in this auction, and partner bids 2NT lebensohl (as she almost always will). Now what? Are you really bidding 3♣? Is there any reason to think that 3m is a remotely reasonable partial, in what could be a 4-3 fit? Or do you pass 2NT? You could still easily miss a game in this sequence since partner could have 4-6 points. This also has the effect of wrong-siding the notrump, which could actually be quite bad. And even if partner digs up a 3m bid, are you really going to do anything other than bid 3NT (admittedly with a lot more hope of making than if you hadn't doubled first, but if you were bidding 3NT anyway I don't see how this helps except for possibly making it easier for opponents to double or not double, and/or find the right lead). This also might create ethical issues for you if partner bids a slow 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 There' no middle way here (dbl or 2NT) because you cannot involve partner in a decision here, it's only high-way 3NT and low-way pass. My choice is the low-way pass because:- we do not have a source of tricks-A10x may be a illusory second stopper in ♥-the spade length will provide maximum 2 tricks for us-there's a bigger probability that partner is in 1-3 hcp range rather than 4-6 hcp range-the win/loss raport is not in favour of bidding Agree with Edmunte. This hand is a nice picture gallery and nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 3NT.I like my chances. Partner will have a few useful values more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Imo, big hands with no clear direction and tolerance for the other suits should always start with double. But this hand has a very clear direction. It is 4333 with stoppers all over the place. The direction is notrump. Agree with Edmunte. This hand is a nice picture gallery and nothing more.Yup nothing more than half the strength in the deck. That's all it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Agree with Edmunte. This hand is a nice picture gallery and nothing more.Yup nothing more than half the strength in the deck. That's all it is. Yes. And no tricks in a misfit auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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