mtvesuvius Posted March 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 We open all 12s and some decent 11s. I wound up passing, and was a little distraught after partner came down with AKx Qxxx AT9xx x. The K♦ was on, so it made 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 We open all 12s and some decent 11s. I wound up passing, and was a little distraught after partner came down with AKx Qxxx AT9xx x. The K♦ was on, so it made 6. This is a normal 3♥ bid (albeit a minimum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 The almighty Joe Grue passed on this auction with Axx Axxx Axx xxx. And I think his partner made 2. was there a lead out of turn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 We open all 12s and some decent 11s. I wound up passing, and was a little distraught after partner came down with AKx Qxxx AT9xx x. The K♦ was on, so it made 6. If you knew that over 1♥ partner would bid: - 1♠ if he had 4 ♠s and- 1NT with 3433, 3442 or 2443 shape and- 2♦or 1NT with a semi-balanced 5332 hand and- 2♣ holding 1345 than 2♥ would show an unbalanced hand with 4♥. The shape would be 4441, 5431 or 5440. Otherwise opener should probably bid 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 We open all 12s and some decent 11s. I wound up passing, and was a little distraught after partner came down with AKx Qxxx AT9xx x. The K♦ was on, so it made 6. This is a normal 3♥ bid (albeit a minimum). Now, this is a problem. Everyone is opening all sorts of crap. So, when they hold a real opening bid, such as this one, they jump raise to 3♥ to differentiate this hand from the crap they normally open. (Parenthetically, the opening hand is a 6 loser hand by LTC, which is an above-average opening. The 1♥ response improves the ♥Q somewhat.) I would raise to 2♥ on these cards (knowing that I had something in reserve) and I would expect my partner to invite on the other hand. Clearly, after bidding "just" 2♥, I would accept any invitation. Everyone on this site would respond 1♥ to 1♦ if they held Txxx Txxx Jx KJx. Good luck in 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 We open all 12s and some decent 11s. I wound up passing, and was a little distraught after partner came down with AKx Qxxx AT9xx x. The K♦ was on, so it made 6. This is a normal 3♥ bid (albeit a minimum). Now, this is a problem. Everyone is opening all sorts of crap. So, when they hold a real opening bid, such as this one, they jump raise to 3♥ to differentiate this hand from the crap they normally open. (Parenthetically, the opening hand is a 6 loser hand by LTC, which is an above-average opening. The 1♥ response improves the ♥Q somewhat.) I would raise to 2♥ on these cards (knowing that I had something in reserve) and I would expect my partner to invite on the other hand. Clearly, after bidding "just" 2♥, I would accept any invitation. Everyone on this site would respond 1♥ to 1♦ if they held Txxx Txxx Jx KJx. Good luck in 3♥. Art, even LTC ("6 losers"), which in my opinion is not a useful means of hand evaluation, agrees that this hand is within the 3♥ range. I would say that if you think this is only a 2♥ rebid, then you need to rethink your hand evaluation, it is very easy for you to miss game/slam by bidding 2♥. Of course bidding 3♥ can work out poorly and your example hand is noted, but that is why I try to use probability to determine when a call will work well and when it will work poorly, then make an educated guess about which one is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Art is right of course. When you open on any excuse, this must influence you later bidding. I see no reason why a style where this is a max. 2 Heart rebid and pd will inivite should be less successful then a style where you need to rebid 3 Heart with hands like that- it is just another philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbush Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Visualize partner with a perfect minimum, such asAKx Qxxx K10xx xx . Game is pretty much a laydown if trumps break 3-2 and has good chances if they don't. I'm going to invite -- partner would presumably pass with the hand shown, but the hands he accepts on will be stronger and should also have good play.This seems like a flawed tautology. The "better" hands partner accept with will often have soft holdings in the black suits and work out less well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Easy pass.Yep. It gets even easier if P has only 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Visualize partner with a perfect minimum, such asAKx Qxxx K10xx xx . Game is pretty much a laydown if trumps break 3-2 and has good chances if they don't. I'm going to invite -- partner would presumably pass with the hand shown, but the hands he accepts on will be stronger and should also have good play.This seems like a flawed tautology. The "better" hands partner accept with will often have soft holdings in the black suits and work out less well.What about the imperfect minimum[hv=s=skxhjxxxdakxxcqxx]133|100|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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