kgr Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=sakqjxxh975d64ct7]133|100|Scoring: IMP(Pass)-Pass-(1♦)-??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosene Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 We have spades - no reason to keep partner out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 1♠ wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I would bid 3♠, it is pretty unlikely that we have game, and this should create a pretty good bidding problem for my opponents if they don't have a heart fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhar Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I voted for 2S too quickly because I thought I was red on white. However, now that I realize that I'm white on red, I think I bid 3S Clearly we don't have a game unless partner has a trememdous passed hand for spades. Why not make it as difficult as possible for the opponents? Now, while it might appear that 4S makes it the most difficult, the "default" action is to be doubled (or to be passed out when partner has 10 or 11 and a spade partial higher than any contract they can make is all you can make.) Even if I can make only 2S, there's enough of a chance they'll bid over 3S to save me. But the big bonus I'm looking for is that it's their hand and I've stolen too much room with a 3S bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 3♠ because of the colors. I would like to shut out their +600 in 5 of a minor and this looks like a good start. I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx :huh: The swingy action is to pass throughout and not let them identify that there is this glaring problem in spades... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 3S for me at these colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 normaly i think i bid 3S, but that really depends on oppontents and how the play till there went. can imagine, if i see rho counting his/her points to a loud "19" that i pass and see the bidding 1♦-1♥-2NT-3NT. on some good day I bid 4S. 3S has the plus, that partner will raise with fit, so we dont have tricks against their contracts. Dont want to hit partner on a spade single and some spread jacks and queens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 2♠ for me. It took me a couple bad scores for learning not to bid 3 here. Even at these colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 4♠ Extremely difficult for them to double me, when I have the four high spades. I will be at most 800 vs their vul. game. (ok, it will not always make, but I will not always get doubled.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I might even get a genius on my right who rebids 3N on his Txx :) The swingy action is to pass throughout and not let them identify that there is this glaring problem in spades...Makes me remember a hand from the other night: Bidding: 1NT* - (Pass) - Pass - (Double)All pass. * 12-14 The player on lead had ♦AKQxxxx (Opener had 12, responder 7 balanced, and the doubler had 12.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm usually an aggressive preempter, but I don't like 3♠ on this hand: it's too balanced, has too many hearts, and has too much defence. Also, partner passed in second seat rather than first, so he's not quite as limited as he might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 2♠Partners (and LHO's) average strength is about 9 HCP.To make 2♠ partner has to cover 2 of my 7 loser and that's not unlikely.Opps are seldom strong enough to to make a 3 level contract. Partner can enter the bidding if he likes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hi, I like 3S. 1S is ok. 2S is not enough, given the vulnerability, and since weare facing a passed p. 4S is too much. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 2♠ for me; having three dead hearts discourages me from bidding 3♠. Let them find a negative double as a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility. and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead. :) Or do you have X as conventional for spades?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility. and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead. :P Or do you have X as conventional for spades?? No, I play a double to ask partner to lead his shorter major. I guess he'll hit the right one anytime he isn't void in spades...... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility. and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead. :P Or do you have X as conventional for spades?? No, I play a double to ask partner to lead his shorter major. I guess he'll hit the right one anytime he isn't void in spades...... :P Really, I thought it was universal that this asks for a diamond lead in this kind of auction (opener's minor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility. and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead. :P Or do you have X as conventional for spades?? No, I play a double to ask partner to lead his shorter major. I guess he'll hit the right one anytime he isn't void in spades...... :P Really, I thought it was universal that this asks for a diamond lead in this kind of auction (opener's minor). I don't like it to ask for any particular lead, it just want it to say I think they are down. But a short suit is often a good lead in that case since any long suit I have would have good solidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I don't like it to ask for any particular lead, it just want it to say I think they are down. But a short suit is often a good lead in that case since any long suit I have would have good solidity. I couldn't bid over 1♦, but I think 3NT is going down. How could I want anything except a diamond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Oops I had the auction wrong, I thought diamonds were on my left. Ok you win and I suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 I can see myself overcalling 1♠ or 3♠ with this, but not 2♠.A sneaky pass is, of course, also a possibility. and the bidding goes 2NT pass 3NT and partner doesn't find the spade lead. :blink: Or do you have X as conventional for spades?? No, I play a double to ask partner to lead his shorter major. I guess he'll hit the right one anytime he isn't void in spades...... :P Really, I thought it was universal that this asks for a diamond lead in this kind of auction (opener's minor).Of course you have to be carefull with unknown partners, but in a regular partnership, it makes much sense to play like jdonn, agreeing the double to mean something like: "Please lead my suit, do not lead away from your tenaces". In this sequence the opponents are bound to have a lot of minor-cards, so reserving the double for hands that can run diamonds seems a little awkward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 The whole discussion shows, that there are alot of different possible and reasonable meanings of the 3NT double. There is no no right or wrong imho. So it is necessary for every partnership to discuss this issue.The same difference is after both defenders bid a different suit then the question is weather the double says:1) Play my suit or 2) Play your suit. Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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