Would you open this

[dcvetkov]

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I am just wondering how many of you consider NOT to open this hand or something like " I pass, what is the problem"?

 

White vs Red, IMPS , first seat

[jdonn]

I'll save everyone else the trouble of replying. If you are very old or named awm you pass, otherwise you open.

[Walddk]

Count me in as an opener, a clear opener even. Better than many 14-15 counts.

 

Roland

[rogerclee]

I bet even awm would open this hand.

[skjaeran]

Clear opener. 6-loser hand, 10 hcp (and both majors).

I'll die of old age long before I pass hands like this....

[ASkolnick]

Follows the Rule of 22 (Rule of 20 by Bergen plus 2 QT), so I open as well.

[neilkaz]

If PD passes this, I am calling the nurse over to check PD for a pulse !

[Fluffy]

I wouldn't open 1♠ at second position vulnerable. any other position or vulnerability I open.

[inquiry]

OPEN.... look up ZAR Points on the internet.

[awm]

I'd pass, assuming those x are really small cards.

 

Give me some spots and I open. :)

 

My general experience with these hands is that they are great if partner has a major suit fit and really awful if partner is 2-2 or 1-2 in the majors. If I start with pass I can almost always come in later, typically at a fairly low level and with a call that actually shows both majors and leaves partner well placed to know what's going on. If I open 1♠ and partner actually has the "no major fit" hand then I'm totally hosed, often getting to a no-play game or being doubled for a number in a partial.

 

Note that even ZAR points admit this, with substantial upgrades for super-fit and downgrades for no fit. The problem is that by the time I'm sure there is no fit (having bid both my suits and possibly rebid hearts), we are generally in a game-forcing auction and there's not much I can do about it.

[mtvesuvius]

If you pass this hand, you are either:

 

Dropped a card on the floor

Have No Bidding Box

Cannot Speak

Are over the age of 85

Are AWM

Dead

 

 

I am none of these... I open :)

[hanp]

1S.

[peachy]

Open 1S. Any seat, any vul.

[rogerclee]

Adam, I don't know if this will sway your opinion, but when we are 55(12), these are the probabilities that our longest fit is:

 

7 cards - 0.105

8 cards - 0.428

9 cards - 0.337

10 cards - 0.110

11 cards - 0.018

 

Of course some of these are minor suit fits, but mostly these numbers will occur because of a major suit fit. From these numbers, I would say that your fears of a misfit might be misplaced.

[hrothgar]

This depends completely on partnership agreement

 

I prefer playing relatively sound opening playing 2/1.

I would pass this hand in regular partnerships...

[Phil]

I've seen Fred pass these kind of hands. File under: I'll describe my hand later with one bid.

 

I'll open 1♠.

[mike777]

Excellent opening bid poll/

 

No surprise Al Roth is dead. Long live the King.

[blackshoe]

I had this hand today. :P I opened 1♠. We got a bad board. If it comes up tomorrow, I'll open it 1♠ again.

[awm]

Adam, I don't know if this will sway your opinion, but when we are 55(12), these are the probabilities that our longest fit is:

 

7 cards - 0.105

8 cards - 0.428

9 cards - 0.337

10 cards - 0.110

11 cards - 0.018

 

Of course some of these are minor suit fits, but mostly these numbers will occur because of a major suit fit. From these numbers, I would say that your fears of a misfit might be misplaced.

As I have pointed out many times before, the goal is to maximize my expected score.

 

I submit that on the 10% of hands where we have no fit, my expected score from opening will be very bad. There essentially are no good cases. We will always be overbid, we may get doubled in a partial, or bid a no-play game or slam.

 

Now, certainly the odds favor a fit, and if my results were to become much better on the fitting hands by opening, then it would be right to open. But I'm not convinced that the improvement from opening when there is a fit is all that substantial -- very frequently we will end up in the same contract getting the same result, and in fact sometimes we find a better fit (give partner a hand with 2-3 in the majors and opening 1♠ might get us to 2♠ instead of 2♥) or avoid doubling a making contract (initial pass limits my hand).

[the hog]

If I played 2 suited openings, of course, this is a 100% opening bid. If I played a light opening system, of course this is an opening. Playing 2/1 I think opening this is not a good idea. Agree with Adam's post above.

[jdonn]

I submit that on the 10% of hands where we have no fit, my expected score from opening will be very bad. There essentially are no good cases.

Do you really mean that?

[pirate22]

Have no FEAR u have a partner open 1 spade (count your losers )even if pard has a bust --your hand is 5 losers possibly 5 Half losers

 

let the opposition sort it out,remember your pard is still there :)))))))))))))))))))

regards who is AWM?

[bid_em_up]

I usually play a sound opening 2/1 system. I always pass this in 1st/2nd seats, and would always open it in 3rd/4th.

[dicklont]

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regards who is AWM?

AWM is on the previous page.

No pun intended.

[dcvetkov]

Ok

 

here is what happened. I opened this with unfamiliar partner and we got a bad score, in a what I think normal auction. Then partner went balistic how I should have passed, and she would not open in milion years.

 

My opinion and experience is that this hand should be open and you have to get there to start bidding what you have early. One disadvantage is not exactly what awm is saying, but more the danger is that partner will X them in some partscore or game, and expect more defence from you. On the other side, I think people who are in the " I have time to describe my hand later" camp, are a little too optimistic. What do you do for example after 1C- pass - 3C or simular?

 

Full hand.

 

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Bidding

 

 

S W N E

1S 2H 3H 4C

P P X All pass

 

 

Ok, the guy showed up with 7-5, so its unbeatable and I file this under " reasonable action - bad result", But do you agree with the last X? And more over should I take it out?