hanp Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Apologies for the misleading title. What would your call be in this situation: [hv=d=w&v=b&s=skqxxhaxxxdaqxcax]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] (1C) - p - (1D) - Dbl(p) - 1H - (p) - ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I want to bid NT and hearts but I cannot find how. I'll try 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 3♥, invitational Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 This seems like a routine 3♥ bid to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I would bid 2♥. I find 3♥ to be a pretty huge overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think 3 is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Close between 2 and 3. Weaken or strengthen it in any way and I would say this is a wtp. Pard is limited to 8, so our game prospects are really limited unless pard has a max. As it is, I'll take the low road and bid 2. I expect at least the ♠A to be offside, and the ♦K might be off too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 3♥ is my choice. However, partner will not be happy if he was boxed into a corner by my double. For example: xxxxxQxxxQxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 3♥ must be 5 hearts, 2♦ would be the way to show more than 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 There are 2 cuebids, a simple raise and a jump raise available. IMO 2♣ here should be a 2 1/2♥ bid, 2♦ as a 3 1/2♥ bid. With 3♥ being Invitational and 2♥ being just a blocking bid. So... I'll try 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 There are 2 cuebids, a simple raise and a jump raise available. IMO 2♣ here should be a 2 1/2♥ bid, 2♦ as a 3 1/2♥ bid. With 3♥ being Invitational and 2♥ being just a blocking bid. So... I'll try 2♣. Why is everything a heart raise? Surely you realize there are problems with giving yourself 5 ways to raise hearts and no bids that mean anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 It is a fair point that one of the cuebids could be a heart raise. Partner has fewer than four hearts here often enough that I think it's definitely worth worrying about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 It is a fair point that one of the cuebids could be a heart raise. Partner has fewer than four hearts here often enough that I think it's definitely worth worrying about. Correct, if one cuebid should be a ♥ raise, it should be 2♣, leaving a 2♦ cuebid available for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Partner had something like Jx Qx 109xx xxxxx. That's right, a doubleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Partner had something like Jx Qx 109xx xxxxx. That's right, a doubleton. I have sympathy for his call. Ugly problem from his side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Partner had something like Jx Qx 109xx xxxxx. What a horrible problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Partner had something like Jx Qx 109xx xxxxx. That's right, a doubleton. 2♥ looks playable. I'm betting against the overtrick though :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Passing 1♦ doubled might have worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I heard the story from the person who was so lucky to have partner's hand. She first gave me her hand. I said I wasn't willing to bid 1H on a doubleton so I bid 2C. I don't think you can pass on 4 diamonds without an honor, it's too pessimistic. We both thought that partner should have bid 1NT instead of 3H, since 1H will often be bid on a 3-card suit (not so often on a doubleton though!). Further thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I heard the story from the person who was so lucky to have partner's hand. She first gave me her hand. I said I wasn't willing to bid 1H on a doubleton so I bid 2C. I don't think you can pass on 4 diamonds without an honor, it's too pessimistic. We both thought that partner should have bid 1NT instead of 3H, since 1H will often be bid on a 3-card suit (not so often on a doubleton though!). Further thoughts? When I looked at the hand, my thought was 1N... then I read the posts before posting and thought that my vote would look like it was influenced by the actual hand. I confess that I hadn't made up my mind, so that maybe my current thinking has been pushed even harder towards 1N. 1N shows the general strength and shape, distorting by only 1 card, altho admittedly a very important card if partner holds 4 hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Apologies for the misleading title. What would your call be in this situation: [hv=d=w&v=b&s=skqxxhaxxxdaqxcax]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] (1C) - p - (1D) - Dbl(p) - 1H - (p) - ?? I did not read any posts....nonxeprt bid 2c''' ok I will read posts to see what is correct .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 If the 2245 hand could bid a natural 2♣, maybe it's not such a horrible problem. Is that a normal agreement? I don't think the doubler should worry much about the possibility that 1♥ is a 3-card suit. I don't think it's particularly likely: most responders would have bid a major instead of 1♦ if they had one, and most openers would have bid a major over the double if they had one, so the partner's expected length in the majors is high. Using a cue-bid to show a good raise makes sense, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Don't know if bidding 2C as natural is normal, but Mike Lawrence suggests doing so in his book on takeout doubles (p48). Advancer can bid the higher ranking suit if he wants to make a forcing cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 On this particular auction I also think 2C should be natural. It only makes sense when 2D available. If my partner bid 1H in response I do not expect them to choose a 2 card suit. This is not an unusual nt or michaels t/o dble. I doubt partner is even 5-4 majors as they would far more likely o/c the 5 bagger. Passing the dble is also not the end of the world, it's not game, on a good day we might hold it to one, and when it's the day the sun shines on you it goes down :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman5757 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 stretch to invite at IMPs. 3♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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