jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ KQJ976 ♥ ♦ QJT7 ♣ K65 (you are South) West North East South - Pass 1♥ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 3♥ 3♠ 4♥ Dbl Pass 4♠ Pass Pass Dbl ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I would have bid 4♠ the last time. Pull to what? The diagram says we are doubled in 4♠. Or is the 4♠ call a mistake and we thinking about pulling pard's double of 4♥? (we should). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I assume the question is whether or not I should have pulled 4♥x. I would not have. I want to add that I agree that I should have bid 4♠ before, but if partner is telling me he has 4♥ beat, then I would pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 This hand is a 4♠ bid at the point it bid 3♠. I think that is very very important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I posted the full auction by mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Please elaborate on why I should bid 4♠ last time. As north I would raise ♠’s on almost any hand that had 3♠’s but I see now 1♠ (2x) 2♠ is different from P (1♥) 1♠ (2♥) 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Please elaborate on why I should bid 4♠ last time. As north I would raise ♠’s on almost any hand that had 3♠’s but I see now 1♠ (2x) 2♠ is different from P (1♥) 1♠ (2♥) 2♠ A lot of reasons - 4♠ will frequently make, and when it doesn't they are frequently cold for 4♥. In other words, 4♠ is only wrong when 4♠ and 4♥ are going down, or when 4♠ gets hammered badly, but that won't happen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Please elaborate on why I should bid 4♠ last time. As north I would raise ♠’s on almost any hand that had 3♠’s but I see now 1♠ (2x) 2♠ is different from P (1♥) 1♠ (2♥) 2♠ A lot of reasons - 4♠ will frequently make, and when it doesn't they are frequently cold for 4♥. In other words, 4♠ is only wrong when 4♠ and 4♥ are going down, or when 4♠ gets hammered badly, but that won't happen here. I would add to that, by saying that when you don't know whether either game will make, bid yours as soon as possible. This relates to the idea of 'the last guess'. Competitive bidding, when no-one really knows who can make what, sometimes devolves into a guess. It is winning strategy to try to make the opponents make the last guess in the auction. So by jumping to 4♠, which could so easily be cold opposite many hands that were worth only a single raise, you force the opps to guess last. They have to decide whether to pass, double or (and this would be rare on the auction, and almost certainly wrong for them) bid at the 5-level. Guessing always has a high error rate, so make them do it, not you. Think about how you felt when partner's double came around to you... you were guessing what to do, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I don't like my chances of beating 4♥, so I think 4♠ is not that wrong. True, partner might have up to 5 hearts but we might only win 3 tricks in that suit and then what? Or two and another somewhere else, or maybe the double just alerts them to the situation. Too many things can go wrong, I rather pull to 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=sa32ht7543d2cqj83&w=st8ha62dk98643c74&e=s54hkqj98da5cat92&s=skqj976hdqjt7ck65]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - Pass 1♥ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 3♥ 3♠ 4♥ Dbl Pass 4♠ Pass Pass Dbl Pass Pass Pass Here's the full hand. Thanks for the replies, it turned out a top board, 4♠+1 but I knewwe hadn’t got there gracefully. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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