the hog Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Agree totally with South's bidding. I would not bid 3C with this hand. North should not pass 3NT. I like Harald's 5NT suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Of course it is north's fault but I don't agree with 2H, it is carrying a good idea too far. This hand has extras and two 5-card suits. I would definitely bid 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 KQAQ4322KT954 Just curious as to what the 3C bidders love about this hand with these flaws:KQ tight, therefore not pulling full weight.S/t in partner's suitOrdinary H and C suits. Why are you enamoured by this ordinary hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 KQAQ4322KT954 Just curious as to what the 3C bidders love about this hand with these flaws:KQ tight, therefore not pulling full weight.S/t in partner's suitOrdinary H and C suits. Why are you enamoured by this ordinary hand? Because 3♣ is somewhat more descriptive. If partner bids 3♥ over this you can show your shape, which is impossible if you bid 2♥. If partner bids 3♦, he also knows much more about your hand than if you had bid 2♥. Thus you are making overall a more descriptive bid which can get you to a good heart slam while accepting the risk that partner will occasionally overbid by playing you for a little more. I still haven't made up my mind about 2♥ vs 3♣, but I am not dense and recognize that there are a lot of benefits to bidding 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 KQAQ4322KT954 Just curious as to what the 3C bidders love about this hand with these flaws:KQ tight, therefore not pulling full weight.S/t in partner's suitOrdinary H and C suits. Why are you enamoured by this ordinary hand? Because 3♣ is somewhat more descriptive. If partner bids 3♥ over this you can show your shape, which is impossible if you bid 2♥. If partner bids 3♦, he also knows much more about your hand than if you had bid 1♥. Thus you are making overall a more descriptive bid which can get you to a good heart slam while accepting the risk that partner will occasionally overbid by playing you for a little more. I still haven't made up my mind about 2♥ vs 3♣, but I am not dense and recognize that there are a lot of benefits to bidding 3♣. I am well aware of your logic, but for me showing a minimum hand with a 2H bid is more important. If you bid 3C on this and a stronger hand you will have problems sorting out the differeing hand strengths later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 KQAQ4322KT954 Just curious as to what the 3C bidders love about this hand with these flaws:KQ tight, therefore not pulling full weight.S/t in partner's suitOrdinary H and C suits. Why are you enamoured by this ordinary hand? It has two 5-card suits and about a king more than a minimum opening bid (if you wouldn't open Qx AQxxx x K109xx then obviously that doesn't apply to you.) If I bid 3C now then I show my clubs and my extra values. If I don't then I may not be able to do so later. For example, if I bid 2H and partner bids 3D then I cannot show my clubs. Parntner may have had a "misfitting" 2164 11-count that could not bid 3C since that would have gameforcing and we never find out 9-card club fit. Or maybe partner has slam interest in hearts and bids 3H next. We'll never be able to show our shape. Or maybe partner has a strong hand with diamonds and will have to make up a fake bid after 2H, making the auction murky. After 1H-2D-3C partner can just bid 3D and we'll have a simple 3NT bid to give a perfect description of our hand. I don't "love" this 14-count, but it has two 5-card suits and is significantly better than many of my 1H openings. And what is there to love about the non-descript 2H bid? It is a necessary evil that we should have avoid when we are good enough to make a descriptive bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underruff Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 If Opener bids a new suit at the three-level over Responder's two-over-one, it shows extra values. 1)1S-2H;3m2)1S-2D;3C With a four-card suit, Opener needs at least 15 HCPs. To bid a new suit at the three-level, Opener doesn't need as much extra strength with a five-card or longer second suit. South lack for controls and have only 9HCP(H:AQ C:K) in his main suit.North have semi-solid D suit and 6controls, rebid 4D after 3N is my choice.Pass 3NT was passive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 endless but worthwhile debate... can we bid 3c on minimum or minimax....if so...easy 3c. I only repeat bbf says 3c =clear max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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