jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ 5 ♥ AQJ82 ♦ Q9653 ♣ K9 West North East South - - Pass 1♥ 2♣ 4♥ 5♣ ? Is pass forcing, do you double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 A tough one IMO. It depends on your agreements, obviously. I think pass should be forcing because a passed hand has bid to the 5 level opposite a simple 2 level overcall. If East were not a passed hand then I would think this is definitely not a forcing pass. With East a pass hand then I think this probably should be a forcing pass. It certainly is hard because North's 4♥ could be wide ranging. If North/South agree to only ever bid 4♥ with weak hands, and to cue 3♣ with all limit+ hands, then pass wouldn't be forcing. If pass is forcing, I pass (but I'm not confident I'm right). If pass is not forcing, then I bid 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Hi, #1 Pass is non forcing. If partner wants to create a forcing Pass seq., he should make a stronger raise, ... if you have agreed on one. If you dont have agreed on a stronger raise, I would not worry about forcing pass either, because discussing various raises after intervention is more important than discussing forcing Pass.#2 What to do? 5H, may make or is a cheap insurance against a making 5C. With kind regardsMarlowe PS <Added later>: Pass instead of 5H, misread the vulnerability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 1) Not forcing2) Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Partner's 4♥ bid is weak (ok, not crazy at this vulnerability, but still) and East could very well be bidding 5♣ to make. So pass is not forcing. I think pass is obvious. We may have zero defensive tricks and partner did not promise any either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 We are red vs white, so partners bid is no real preempt. But he did not choose the strong raise via 3 club, so pass is non forcing. I would pass now and leave it to partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 If 4♥ was a preempt than pass is nonforcing. The fact that your LHO introduced ♣ devalues your ♣K, turning your 5 loser into 6 loser. It's also unsure if your ♥A can win a trick, o dbl is no option. So pass seems the best choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomi2 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think pass should be forcing because a passed hand has bid to the 5 level opposite a simple 2 level overcall. If East were not a passed hand then I would think this is definitely not a forcing pass. I tend to believe my partners more then my opps, so I bid a 100% nonforcing pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sak974hkt953d87c2&w=sqt3h64dj42caqt43&e=sj862h7daktcj8765&s=s5haqj82dq9653ck9]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass 1♥ 2♣ 4♥ 5♣ Pass Pass 5♥ Dbl Pass Pass Pass Here's the full hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Time to add fit bids to your cc Kathryn :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Time to add fit bids to your cc Kathryn :) So that would have north bidding 3♠, am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 jb, I know you already know this, but don't let a bad score influence the way you think about bridge. The best players in the world get bad boards from the use of their methods... they just get a lot fewer than the rest of us :) Your partner made an atrocious 4♥ bid. I have sympathy for 3♠ if taken as fit showing, but frankly I would prefer a splinter... which absolutely creates a fp scenario. As it is, 4♥ denies the high card strength for even a limit raise... since 3♣ was available. So over 5♣, your choices were: pass, either because they may go down or your save may be too expensive at this vulnerability; double because you expect to beat it (using what for tricks?); or bid because you expect that either you can make something at the 5-level or that the 5-level will be a good red v white save. As I hinted above, double seems silly. Parner denied defence and has long hearts, and the club overcall was on our left... so we are looking at perhaps one trick.. and partner should not hold 2 more. I would bid at the 5-level if my club K were anywhere else, but I would pass this hand. Now partner has a problem, of his own making. Having utterly distorted his holding, he doesn't know what to do, so he got it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Time to add fit bids to your cc Kathryn :) So that would have north bidding 3♠, am I right? Right. Disagree with my friend Mike here. I think this is a clear fit bid, and if pard didn't double 5♣ (and he should), I would trudge on to 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Time to add fit bids to your cc Kathryn :) So that would have north bidding 3♠, am I right? Right. Disagree with my friend Mike here. I think this is a clear fit bid, and if pard didn't double 5♣ (and he should), I would trudge on to 5♥. This is the B/I forum, and while I expect splinters to be normal for at least I players, I surely don't expect fit-jumps to be. The better players tend to post answers and advice to B/I players that seem to overlook or forget just how complex this game can be... and we are trying to have our B/I players sprint when they are really still trying to break into a jog. Which may explain why there are so few B/I players posting problems, let alone answers. I am as guilty as anyone, so I am not casting stones, just making an observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Time to add fit bids to your cc Kathryn :) So that would have north bidding 3♠, am I right? Right. Disagree with my friend Mike here. I think this is a clear fit bid, and if pard didn't double 5♣ (and he should), I would trudge on to 5♥. This is the B/I forum, and while I expect splinters to be normal for at least I players, I surely don't expect fit-jumps to be. The better players tend to post answers and advice to B/I players that seem to overlook or forget just how complex this game can be... and we are trying to have our B/I players sprint when they are really still trying to break into a jog. Which may explain why there are so few B/I players posting problems, let alone answers. I am as guilty as anyone, so I am not casting stones, just making an observation. I would agree with you usually Mike, but Kathryn is a long-time poster and suggesting something like a fit-bid isn't a foreign concept to her. IMO she is ready to be introduced to the concept judging from her response. I'm also guessing she also presumed 4♥ was a poor call initially, although she didn't come out and say as much. Sorry if there were other B/I players reading this that scratched their head at my previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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