awm Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Suppose you are playing 2/1 (or standard american, it shouldn't really matter) with a strong partner. What is the *standard* meaning of 1♥-1NT-4♣? Do you think there is a substantial minority treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Already a minority of 1 voting for Gerber, and it wasn't me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Otto-splinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfay Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Automaton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 1430 Gerber for Notrump. 4♦ is 0 or 3 stoppers4♥ is 1 or 4 stoppers4♠ is 2 stoppers with 12 cards4NT is 2 stoppers with 13 cards5♣ is 2 stoppers with 14 cards OK, and for anyone who read just that and thought I was serious, well... B) This should be an Auto-Splinter here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Undiscussed, I assume splinter. When I discuss it with partners, I like to play it showing a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 It has never happened at my table nor in any article I have read... if any partner of mine perpetrated it, I would assume 6-6 or better: AQxxxx AKxxxx type suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Self-splinter, its not even that rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Autosplinter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 picutres 5♥ and 6 or 7♣..... Lol, no, its auto splinter :), habving seen it in years though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I would take it as a hand that should have opened something else (i.e. the system's forcing opening :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Argh! You got me. I play this as autosplinter but I thought, undiscussed, this was Gerber (jump over last notrump). I see now why this is illogical. How can a hand that can't open 2C or jump shift ask a 1N responder for aces? In The Bidding Dictionary (1996), Alan Truscott defines 4C as a splinter with self-sufficient hearts. Ditto Modern American Bidding (2003) by Eric Kokish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Selfsplinter, void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill1157 Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 it is gerber if you are agreed "gerber over 1st and last nt"; it is a splinter if you have agreed to play it that way. But if you have to ask what it is, it has to be natural showing 5-5 and choice of 4 !h and 5!c. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 it is gerber if you are agreed "gerber over 1st and last nt"; it is a splinter if you have agreed to play it that way. But if you have to ask what it is, it has to be natural showing 5-5 and choice of 4 !h and 5!c. Bill Even when you have agreed "4c over 1st and last NT" as Gerber, by my logic this auction must an exception. Opener would have opened something other than 1H if he now is prepared [and not crazy] to ask for aces opposite partner who responded 1NT (6-9, maybe good 5HCP) so it must be something other than ace ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I've always played it as self splinter, and have not heard of any others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm scared... There were 11 votes for Gerber, and 4 votes for "Does not exist". I think the world is coming to an end <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Stupid fracking internet. I had a nice answer written out, and it fell into a black hole. Screw it. SAYC: "undefined/does not exist".Other Modern American (including 2/1): Splinter. "Ah has spoken!" -- Mammy Yokum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I dont know if there is anything standard here It makes sense to agree 1) gerber 2) Self splinter, but it makes sense to show specifically 5-4-3-1. or 5-4-4-0 distribution. With others, there are other bids available. Very strong hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 2) Self splinter, but it makes sense to show specifically 5-4-3-1. or 5-4-4-0 distribution. With others, there are other bids available. Very strong hand You can't do that, you will miss 3NT when partner has his strength in your short suit. It's played as long in the major you opened, usually a 7 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakob_r Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm scared... There were 11 votes for Gerber, and 4 votes for "Does not exist". I think the world is coming to an end :Pi'd think two votes for "natural, forcing" is more scary :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Self-splinter. I can't think of another reasonable meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Autosplinter for me too. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 No carrots and peas for me. I think it's a hand that's a NAMYATS type opening with 7-8 hearts and power, slammish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 At least nobody voted for natural, not forcing. :) I voted for 'no standard' because while I play this as auto-splinter with most people, I would never dare make this bid with any random expert no matter how knowledgeable I thought they were for fear of disagreement. But it seems there is an 'expert standard' after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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