mtvesuvius Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I am considering combining a Polish Club with a precision Club... What do you recommend to determine whether polish or Precision, and why? Does the strength of your opponent's matter? How about the form of scoring? Any comments/thoughts/ideas would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Consult http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/docde...;Systems%2FOpen Martens-Jassem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Two friends of mine, who are very good (by Romanian standards, anyway) play Polish when vulnerable and strong club with a 10-13 NT when non-vulnerable. I suppose this is because of their weak NT range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Don't play 2 systems depending on vuln. unless you are playing in a pro partnership. Otherwise, I would prefer a modernized WJ05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I'd say precision whenever opps are VUL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 You probably don't want to try playing two systems like this unless your partnership already has substantial experience playing at least one of the systems. So I'd suggest, think about the system you've played substantially and decide if there are particular times that you feel like it puts you in an awkward position. Is it worse at some vulnerabilities or positions than others? If so, you might want to try the alternative method in these situations. Personally, I feel pretty comfortable with a strong club method in all situations, and my experience (admittedly only a hundred boards or so) of playing polish club is not that positive. There is supposedly some advantage that the opponents are less able to interfere because you might have a weak notrump, but against this coping with interference is more annoying (because you might have a weak notrump) and when the opponents make some crazy bid over my precision club that they wouldn't make over a polish club, I actually get a good board pretty often too. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 IMO, it's not worth going through the motions of learning two completely different system just out of fear of interference by opps. Also, I don't see how playing Polish Club when vul. solves the problem -- IMO, responder is at a disadvantage in competitive auctions over 1♣ because opener may hold the weak NT hand. A simpler solution might just be to bump the point range on the 1♣ opening to 17+ when vul and open a 14-16 NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Forget the idea below the level of Meckwell. Jassem himself talked about this and said, that the theoretical benefit is large but not large enough when you are no professional player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Come on guys, you sound very old. Playing two or three systems at the same time is a drop in the bucket of complexity a junior like Adam Kaplan plays already :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tola18 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Come on guys, you sound very old. Playing two or three systems at the same time is a drop in the bucket of complexity a junior like Adam Kaplan plays already :) Yeah, simply something a little refreshing for our good Adam. He is way too young to refresh himself by some other refreshments otherwise disponible for us oldies! :) By the way. Is the weak NT vulnerable troubling you? I had played quite some a 10-13NT in all zones without any trouble. We had of course a good wriggle system (Nilslands slinkningar; ie Nilslands wrigglies). But I must confess: having a bad 10 counter in red zone I always chickened out and didnt opened with the 1NT, I passed instead. Otherwise it worked very well, although we didnt even had very elaborated methods for the contested bidding if they bid suits against our NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwiggins Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Otherwise, I would prefer a modernized WJ05.What modernizations are you think of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I agree - I think WJ05 is a good starting point with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Wouldn't hurt to take a look at MickyB and David_C's Polish Club variant as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Otherwise, I would prefer a modernized WJ05. What modernizations are you think of? The most important ones are: * Not using strong jump shifts.* Including 18 - 21 ♦ hands into the Multi 2♦.* Transfers after 1♣ + Dbl / overcall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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