paulhar Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 You hold: Q 3 2A J 4 3K Q 4J 5 3 It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Lawrence gave an example of a hand suitable for 1NT followed by 4♠ over opener's 2m rebid. It was something similar to this one. With my regular p I wouldn't force to game, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 With several of my partners I play 1♠ - 3NT as 4333 with 13-15 HCP... Fits the bill :) Otherwise I like 1NT followed by 4♠ which should show exactly this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I prefer 2♣ and i don't like 1NT forcing + 4♠ sequence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I would GF with 2♣, but it's very close. (I'm a light opener.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I also play 1♠-3NT as a 3-card support showing bid with 13-15. But I should have all suits stopped. If I bid 2♣ I might scare them from that lead no matter what the contract so 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bende Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I suppose that depends on my available follow ups to a forcing 1NT. If I can show a game forcing hand with three spades then that is what I bid. If I can't, then I really need another bid for this hand in the system. Personally, I play 3NT as 13-15 balanced with three card support. I am not going to bid 2/1 without a real suit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Voted 2♦. If I want to communicate with partner, I better make a bid he can put to a little use. My experience with 2/1 is quite limited, but the 1NT/4♠ sequence appeals to me. One thing is for certain though; I do not stay out of game, no matter what happens. There is simply to many ways it could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 2NT, natural and forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 1N. I don't mind 2♣ on a 3 card suit, but if he fits clubs, and I own to a gf with 3 spades, he will mis-evaluate. This is a crappy hand, barely worth a gf, so 1n then 4♠ (or 4♥ over 2♥). If we can make slam, he rates to do something big over 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I find that many of the problem hands offered are similar. One of those is the hand where a natural and old-fashioned 2N solves the problem. The question then becomes, if you use 2N as natural what forcing raise hand types become a problem over 1M openings? Is it easier to use 2N natural and solve the problems of a forcing raise than adopt J2N and have issues bidding natural 2NT hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 You hold: Q 3 2A J 4 3K Q 4J 5 3 It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice? Another poll on what does opener promise in first seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 You hold: Q 3 2A J 4 3K Q 4J 5 3 It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice? Another poll on what does opener promise in first seat. Is true, Mike, but I always assume I am playing with my normal partner(s) and bid accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'm somewhat concerned that this is a hand where 3nt could very easily be the only making game. Starting with 1NT and bidding 4♠ later bypasses what could be the best contract! I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise and rebid 2♠ over 2-red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'm somewhat concerned that this is a hand where 3nt could very easily be the only making game. Starting with 1NT and bidding 4♠ later bypasses what could be the best contract! I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raise and rebid 2♠ over 2-red. I like Adam's approach here. I suspect there will be more than a few times 4♠ is set but 3NT makes since the hand is so flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Tu Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Lacking natural 2nt, artificial 3nt, or artificial 2c followed by relays, there is yet another option, assuming that you have other way to show invitational w/ long hearts: 1s-1nt;2m-3H! = balanced, 3 cd support, choice of games (3nt/4s)1s-1nt;2m-3nt = balanced, not 3 cd support. If partner rebids 2h you can of course just try 4h. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'd start with 2♣ planning to rebid 3NT over a 3♣ raiseIsn't that just as much a guess as bidding 4♠? There are many hands where partner would pass 3NT and 4♠ is the right spot, for example AKxxx xx xx KQxx or KJxxx Kxx x AKxx.and rebid 2♠ over 2-red.With the start 1♠-2♣;2♠, which sequences will enable you to choose 3NT with confidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Surprised by the nbr of votes for 2♣. Is 2♦ not better then 2♣. Slam can still be possible if partner has a strong hand with ♣ shortage.If 3NT is the best contract then 2♦ will be a better start to find it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dicklont Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Other.I play 3NT as a 4333 13-15.I can see better use for 3NT (such as mini splinter) but when it comes up it's a nice one to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 1. Lawrence gave an example of a hand suitable for 1NT followed by 4♠ over opener's 2m rebid. It was something similar to this one. 2. With my regular p I wouldn't force to game, though. 1. There are other definitions of 1NT + 4♠, but Lawrence's one seems sensible because if opps bid, say, 1♠ pass 1NT 3xpass 5x you simply double without worrying much for not having shown support. 2. You're playing 8-12 hcp openings or something? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 You hold: Q 3 2A J 4 3K Q 4J 5 3 It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice? 2♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 You hold: Q 3 2A J 4 3K Q 4J 5 3 It's your call over partner's 1S bid and you play 2/1 game forcing and 1NT absolutely forcing. Your choice? 2♥ I think if 2h is best you need to define what you think opener has and why 2h is best over that. I note others just say......I know what opener has......and I do not bid 2h...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Does it really diffs when opener has only Major suits honors? Say AKJxx and KQ hearts there.. Then immediate losers are 3 clubs and a diamonds. I dont get it why someone supposed to give a chance to opps for a lead directing X using 2C relay. 1S>1N2C(may be short, 3+); 2D same (5-3-3-2 limit) One allowed to bid 2C over 1NF1 with such a collection : AKxxx-Kxx-xx-Kxx or AKxxx- KQx-Jx-xxx So 2C/D rebids do not guarantee good high cards there. I dont think given above auction one knows more than "opener has not 4 times hearts". So tell me th honours you like to be with yr partner to reach a reasonable level game. I believe 2H most constructive "natural" bid rather than 2C/D relays and even F1N. At least 4 pcs decent cards and I do not think gives trouble to opener with any shape and range. It shouldnt get as waste of economy of space. Th barrier to use 2H card is 4 times? Ok I borrowed a card on H suit :P But th others use 2C/2D with 3 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 For what its worth, I'd probably bid 3NT 3N = Natural, nonforcing, doesn't show 3 Spades. Just says that 3N looks to be a reasonable game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Hi Hamdi, 2♣ is not a relay. It's a natural bid, so opps don't play lead directing doubles on it. :P It is the "correct" bid with this hand since 2♦ shows 4+ while 2♣ shows 3+. The question is if it is practical to bid a suit in which we have no honours. P may misevaluate, for example he may think that his singleton clubs is a bad thing. If you bid 2♥ partner will think you have 5 of them and support with 3. Of course you can still correct 4♥ to 4♠ but that's a shame if partner has four hearts and 4♥ is better than 4♠. Of course the same is true if you bid 2♦ but we know that we don't belong in 5♦ and even if p suggests 6♦ we will know it is right to correct to 6♠. Another issue is if the hand is strong enough for a 2/1 response in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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