655321 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Consider this thread: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=30467.......I also don't see the phenomenon of sheep-like answers as a problem. Imagine if the thread had been peppered with a bunch of WTPs and LOLs, because it did seem like a routine 1d-1h-1s-2nt-3nt to quite a few who replied. Isn't it more likely then that you might have ignored the thread? Notice too that the title of the thread is "Bidding problem or may be a WTP". Isn't that the case in real life too sometimes? At one table it's just another routine deal whereas something interesting does happen at the other ? Why did the poster find it necessary to add a disclaimer right at the outset that it might be a WTP ? May be he or she has seen many posts from non-experts being declared WTP or LOL, so just in case... ? Not sure what this has to do with anything. Perhaps gnasher would indeed find a thread peppered with LOLs and WTPs less interesting than the one he linked to. (You did notice that his thread had no LOLs or WTPs, didn't you?) By the way, LOL does not mean the same as WTP.WTP stands for 'What's the problem?' It indicates that for the person answering, there is clearly only one answer.LOL stands for 'Laugh out loud'. The implication (often) is that the post being replied to is so ridiculous, there is nothing to do but laugh at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 Imagine if the thread had been peppered with a bunch of WTPs and LOLs, because it did seem like a routine 1d-1h-1s-2nt-3nt to quite a few who replied. Isn't it more likely then that you might have ignored the thread? No, not if I found the subject interesting (a judgment which I can make without counting the number of people who don't). I'd have ignored the WTPs and LOLs, and read the messages that had more substance. Reading an internet forum inevitably involves filtering out a lot of noise (or what a particular user regards as noise). Given the choice between seeing a few interesting posts mixed with a lot of rubbish, and not seeing the interesting posts at all, I prefer the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 A very sensible suggestion,and if soft ware can handle it,the answers would be more diversified,and get more opinions as to the answer regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 I suspect that the trolls who currently only post "I agree", etc, would under the proposed change simply not post at all until the thread becomes visible, and would then pile in with "I agree", etc. Perhaps an interesting idea but no more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 This would be a user defined setting from the OP. I would have no problem if others that posted bidding problems were to allow unhidden responses immediately. As far as the idea that I can skip the "me too" responses I don't see the problem of hiding the answers. If its truly a "WTP", then *obviously* those answering in the blind certainly shouldn't mind answering blind, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I suspect that the trolls who currently only post "I agree", etc, would under the proposed change simply not post at all until the thread becomes visible, and would then pile in with "I agree", etc. Perhaps an interesting idea but no more than that. What usually happens is this. Someone credible answers a problem, the sheep echo this (while patting themselves on the back as doing the same as a WC player), and then someone else credible stands up and says, "wait I don't like that idea", or "maybe we should consider this". Then they get LOL'd by one of the sheep. Look at bridge problems in the BW MSC. Frequently there will be a two or three way split. I doubt bidding problems posted here are nearly as interesting, but there is way too much agreement here, and I think its because of the way threads are handled. Later in the thread, you'll get a lot of credible people who don't visit the forums 3x a day who come in back up alternative ideas. In the end, I just scratch my head at what the 'right' answer actually is. I would be willing to try it on a trial basis, but my sense you would get a lot more of a diversity of answers, and sensible reasoning in the process which has to be a positive thing. Those that don't have the stones to post until a sample of good players post will just have their ideas at the end of a thread, instead of at the beginning. But thats where these posts belong anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 Continuing on: Polls are useful for determining true opinion. When you answer a poll, you don't see the poll results first! All I'm suggesting is that threads can operate in the same manner. Instead of seeing what everyone is doing, you have to post blind and show your true colors. And for those that don't like this idea; have you ever answered a poll question (Without reading the thread), and then felt silly posting your reasons after you read other's reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?cod...iscussion&it=le I watch this site daily, as I work for the company on this page, but the have a vote for each post button, it does not stop stupid posts (I do not ever post here btw, so not as many silly posts as you would imagine:), but all you have to do is vote it up or down, that way there is no need to post I agree etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 I'm a bit late to the discussion, but I want to share my opinion. I think it's a good idea, but there are still some ways to "hack" the system. A better way maybe is to disable the option to "show the votes" and hide the replies until you vote (and this for a limited time so you don't get random voters). This way, you can't even look at the votes and "agree with most". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Is there a file where suggested ideas go for consideration? :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 What will be he result if the original poster starts his topic with "please do not answer WTP or I agree with.....Please give your reasoning"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Is there a file where suggested ideas go for consideration? :) Hi Phil... Suggestion not supported by Invision Board, are obviously not going to be implemented. I don't know about the other board adminstrators, but i am reading this thread. What can be done will be considered. This might be as good a place as anywhere else to make suggestions. However, you might try making them in the BBO support forums, as Fred and uday are more likely to read those than up here in general bridge discussion. OF course with a title like this one has, they are surely likely to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Suggestion not supported by Invision Board, are obviously not going to be implemented. Ben: 'Supported' as in Invision doesn't have the capability to automatically hide responses? Or other reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I don't think of myself as a sheep. More often I find that, while I am typing, someone else with faster fingers is there first. I hope that when people hear an echo they notice the closeness of the time stamps.The suggestion might increase diversity. It also might increase the number of repetitive answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I have a weird idea. Would it be possible if the original poster had the option of having all responses hidden from view for the first 6/12/24 hours? It seems that there is real tendency here for someone that is a great player to post, and then have ten sheep-like posts follow. Not all of these are "me too", but many are. This creates an illusion that there is unanimity on a subject when in real life at the table this would be far from the case. After the waiting period, the posts would be revealed, and rebuttal would then take place. How about closed for late inputs position after a period under that condition? i.e. Topic started noon, inputs hidden auto 24 hrs. When they revealed no further entries allowed to post. I hope it won't bring much xtra works to server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 How about closed for late inputs position after a period under that condition? i.e. Topic started noon, inputs hidden auto 24 hrs. When they revealed no further entries allowed to post. I hope it won't bring much work to server. I don't understand why you want this feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I have a weird idea. Would it be possible if the original poster had the option of having all responses hidden from view for the first 6/12/24 hours? It seems that there is real tendency here for someone that is a great player to post, and then have ten sheep-like posts follow. Not all of these are "me too", but many are. This creates an illusion that there is unanimity on a subject when in real life at the table this would be far from the case. After the waiting period, the posts would be revealed, and rebuttal would then take place. How about closed for late inputs position after a period under that condition? i.e. Topic started noon, inputs hidden auto 24 hrs. When they revealed no further entries allowed to post. I hope it won't bring much xtra works to server. Nah, I like the rebuttal. Part of the learning is getting your ideas picked apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I don't understand why you want this feature. Just for to see opened mmddyy and closed mmddyy. So after a date server may delete. This avoids to waste bytes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Nah, I like the rebuttal. Part of the learning is getting your ideas picked apart. I am not particularly against to reach any truth. To me it all depends given a reasonable time period assigned by admin/s or by a mutual agreement. To do that maybe some extra time may assigned for post-mortems caption. But better to open and close a topic to lift out much weight of server. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 There is a shortage of bytes? That is our concern now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 There is a shortage of bytes? That is our concern now? A matter of capacity. Everything has a limit. I dont know how many members here. But when i click "find all posts of this member" feature i see my posts of 2 years ago till today. I am Okay to see only a month period posts. I believe then server will work faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 "But when i click "find all posts of this member" feature i see my posts of 2 years ago till today." I like seeing old posts for historical reasons and i would suspect that most members do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 ..And I am Okay to pay BBO$5 X 2 each month for a year playing mini pairs & ind & teams without winning rewards to support new forum design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 ..And I am Okay to pay BBO$5 X 2 each month for a year playing mini pairs & ind & teams without winning rewards to support new forum design. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlam Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 There is a shortage of bytes? That is our concern now? A matter of capacity. Everything has a limit. I dont know how many members here. But when i click "find all posts of this member" feature i see my posts of 2 years ago till today. I am Okay to see only a month period posts. I believe then server will work faster. Your believe is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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