ewj Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sajthkj975dxxcktx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Playing against weakish players, the auction goes 1♣, 1♠ from partner, negative double on your right and you bid 2♣, LHO bids 2♥ and this is passed back to you. Pass is stronger than 2♠ by partner, although he's presumably a bit encouraged because of a void ♥.... Do you double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Yes, I doubt partner will sit for it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm going to buck the trend and pass. My values seem really poorly placed here. Yes I have AJT in partner's suit, but I've alread shown a limit raise. Although partner's pass showed more encouragement than bidding 2♠, he had more positive options available. I'm also looking at two Kings in the round suits with dubious values offensively. Let's try to take 6 tricks on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm going to buck the trend and pass. My values seem really poorly placed here. Yes I have AJT in partner's suit, but I've alread shown a limit raise. Although partner's pass showed more encouragement than bidding 2♠, he had more positive options available. I'm also looking at two Kings in the round suits with dubious values offensively. Let's try to take 6 tricks on defense. Aren't you in a force? You already forced to the 2 level. Double seems perfect, I think partner is well judged to either pass or bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 X, punish RHO for making a negative double on 3 ;). If partner pulls it, we now know that we have reached the right contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Double. On the relatively few deals it is wrong, you will often be able to blame partner or bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 ..is it possible that DBL is not penalty here. I play mostly take out DBLs and I think partner would take DBL here as 2.5♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm going to buck the trend and pass. My values seem really poorly placed here. Yes I have AJT in partner's suit, but I've alread shown a limit raise. Although partner's pass showed more encouragement than bidding 2♠, he had more positive options available. I'm also looking at two Kings in the round suits with dubious values offensively. Let's try to take 6 tricks on defense. Aren't you in a force? You already forced to the 2 level. Double seems perfect, I think partner is well judged to either pass or bid 2♠. Yep. I think we are in a force. I hope my partner understands. I just don't see my partner leaving this in. It might lead to a good discussion afterwards though. I am ready to apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Once we've found a major-suit fit, I think all doubles should be for penalties (possibly excepting a double of one below three of our major). I'm not that keen here, though - those heart pips don't look very robust, ♣K is poorly placed, and clubs are breaking for them. I'd just bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Having bid 2C, I think system forbids me to pass, so the choices now are Dbl or 2S. I like Dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Aren't you in a force? You already forced to the 2 level. Double seems perfect, I think partner is well judged to either pass or bid 2♠. Sure, pass is forcing, but what exactly does it show? I usually play it as it a non-descript game try. Agree with double btw and also realize its getting pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Agree with double btw and also realize its getting pulled. Hmm. At the table, ewj doubled on this hand, and I passed it on a hand I'm sure everyone else would pull on. My thinking was thus - Partner probably has a pretty good idea what everyone at the table has. (We had already seen oppo to be fairly conservative, and they had made their calls without any apparent anguish) If pard decides to double when he knows approximately what everyone has, then it would be wrong (and insulting) to pull it. In particular, I expected a trump holding that pard would be happy to lead when he got in. I can think of the following counter-arguments - - Given my hand (a 5044 pile), it's pretty odds-against to be right to try to take a penalty anyway - We need pard to double and me to pull at the two-level so that I don't pull erroneously if they compete to the three-level. Of course, they are hardly likely to compete once we've doubled them in 2H, but at least this way we declare 2S not 3S. Oh well, at least when we play with screens there won't be any temptation to over-analyse the oppo's tempo in this way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 ..is it possible that DBL is not penalty here. I play mostly take out DBLs and I think partner would take DBL here as 2.5♠ When partner sees a singleton or void in hearts in his hand, do you think he'll take the double as another try for game in spades? I believe in these situations partner should take a look at his hand and the auction before deciding what the double is. Am I right? What was the end of the story anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 When partner sees a singleton or void in hearts in his hand, do you think he'll take the double as another try for game in spades? I believe in these situations partner should take a look at his hand and the auction before deciding what the double is. Am I right?No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 When partner sees a singleton or void in hearts in his hand, do you think he'll take the double as another try for game in spades? I believe in these situations partner should take a look at his hand and the auction before deciding what the double is. Am I right? No. Responder can have 4, 5, 6 or even 7 hearts, so possession of a shortage is no guarantee that partner has length. In any case, doubling 2♥ risks losing a huge number of IMPs; do you really want to rely on the opponents to tell you whether it's right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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