vuroth Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 MPs, all red. ♠ JT97♥ K7♦ AKJ9♣ 876 1♥ 2♠ 2NT P3♦ P ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 3♥ although I have a feeling I should be showing my ♦ support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'd be concerned that partner could pass 3♥ (2N was non-forcing, right?). So, I'll bid 3♠ which must show a good fit for partner's second suit. If partner wants to offer 3N over this, I'll agree. Over 4♣ or 4♦, I'll show the fitting heart honor. If partner offers 4♥, I'll let him play there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I also like 3♠. We have some serious working values here. I think this is a situation where 3♠ should be a sort of Bluhmer (empathetic cue in Rexford speak?), but I would also be concerned about partner taking it the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I also like 3♠. We have some serious working values here. I think this is a situation where 3♠ should be a sort of Bluhmer (empathetic cue in Rexford speak?), but I would also be concerned about partner taking it the right way. Then how about 4♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 4♦. Partner is basically marked with ♠ shortness, and 3♦ is not a courtesy bid. Why would partner ever bid 3♦ if this hand doesn't raise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I also like 3♠. We have some serious working values here. I think this is a situation where 3♠ should be a sort of Bluhmer (empathetic cue in Rexford speak?), but I would also be concerned about partner taking it the right way. Then how about 4♠? Maybe so. Again, it would just rely on being across from a partner that would read your bid correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 4♦. Partner is basically marked with ♠ shortness, and 3♦ is not a courtesy bid. Why would partner ever bid 3♦ if this hand doesn't raise? I agree with this, you must raise diamonds somehow, and even if you bid 3♠ you should in no way pass 3NT. I can't imagine why partner would ever bid diamonds at all if he wants to play 3NT opposite a hand like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 MPs, all red. ♠ JT97♥ K7♦ AKJ9♣ 876 1♥ 2♠ 2NT P3♦ P ? 4d KISS almost all of my hcp are in partners suit. I do not think pard would bid 3d on some minimum 5-4 hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 4♦ seems normal here, unless you can't trust pard to have his bid, in which case you should probably state the obvious again with 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 4♦ seems normal here, unless you can't trust pard to have his bid, in which case you should probably state the obvious again with 3NT. Agreed and I am glad that I don't have to make the decision to trust a pick up pard with my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Eh. I'm bidding 4♥. Matchpoints is a sick game. I can help stop getting tapped to death, and 420/450 is pretty big. Frankly I think I'd rather bid 3♥ than any number of diamonds, even though 6♦ may be cold opposite some great minimums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Eh. I'm bidding 4♥. Matchpoints is a sick game. I can help stop getting tapped to death, and 420/450 is pretty big. Frankly I think I'd rather bid 3♥ than any number of diamonds, even though 6♦ may be cold opposite some great minimums. If you bid 4♦ then you have not yet bypassed 4♥ you know. I still think slam is too likely to do that in any case. x Axxxxx Qxxxx A one time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Of all the proposed bids I like 4♦ best. I don't want to support hearts (3♥, 4♥) as my partner might need to ruff in the long hand. I don't want to bid NT for I already did and I want to be able to show my diamonds. 3♠ could be perfect for I show support in my partner's second suit but what if he thinks I have too much values in that suit or a control I really don't have. 5♦ could be on but what if we lose 2 clubs and a spade? So 4♦ seems to cater for most of my concerns, I show support in diamonds, leave the door open for 4♥ and the only drawback I see is that we cannot play 3NT anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vuroth Posted February 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=b&n=shaq653dt8743ca43&w=sakht84d652ckjt92&e=sq865432hj92dqcq5&s=sjt97hk7dakj9c876]399|300|Scoring: MP1♥ 2♠ 2NT P 3♦ P 4♦ PP P[/hv] I was actually torn between 4♦ and 5♦. I love my honor placement, and think I'm close to max, but I just don't know what's happening in the black suits. ATT , when I saw the hands, I berated myself for not bidding 5. Glad I asked a few people. Thanks. V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 <!-- FULLHAND begin --><table border=1> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td>Dealer:</td> <td> North </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Vul:</td> <td> Both </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring:</td> <td> MP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> AQ653 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> T8743 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> A43 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> AK </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> T84 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> 652 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> KJT92 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> Q865432 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> J92 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> Q </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> Q5 </td> </tr> </table> </th> </tr> <tr> <th> </th> <th> <table> <tr> <th class='spades'>♠</th> <td> JT97 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='hearts'>♥</th> <td> K7 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='diamonds'>♦</th> <td> AKJ9 </td> </tr> <tr> <th class='clubs'>♣</th> <td> 876 </td> </tr> </table> </th> <th> </th> </tr> </table> </td> <td> 1♥ 2♠ 2NT P 3♦ P 4♦ PP P </td> </tr> </table><!-- FULLHAND end --> I was actually torn between 4♦ and 5♦. I love my honor placement, and think I'm close to max, but I just don't know what's happening in the black suits. ATT , when I saw the hands, I berated myself for not bidding 5. Glad I asked a few people. Thanks. V I strongly disagree with partner opening "lite" and then passing with a void at the 4 level. Either force to game or do not open "lite" Responder bids assuming you open lite or you open sound........not both. I do not care how you define it, just agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I also think North should have gone to game. By bidding 4♦ we accepted that suit (we should have at least 4 cards for that), we didn't show a minimum and we didn't show extra values in spades (which we would have done with diamonds and spades interchanged by bidding 3NT). It would be interesting to know JLOL's or Frances' opinion in this one. There are 12 tricks in ♦! 3♦ is also an interesting bid. Is it forcing? Does it show a game-going hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I also think North should have gone to game. By bidding 4♦ we accepted that suit (we should have at least 4 cards for that), we didn't show a minimum and we didn't show extra values in spades (which we would have done with diamonds and spades interchanged by bidding 3NT). It would be interesting to know JLOL's or Frances' opinion in this one. There are 12 tricks in ♦! 3♦ is also an interesting bid. Is it forcing? Does it show a game-going hand? I wonder when a game force was established. Since 3♠ was available to establish a force, wouldn't 4♦ be non-forcing? I agree that it won't be passed very often, but it does seem an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I wonder what 2NT was. did it show 11 HCP or was it forcing?Still if 2NT was non-forcing then passing 4♦ looks like a MP gamble to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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