peachy Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=e&n=sq10hk642dj98caj97&s=sak94h3da10763ckq8]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Playing 2/1, opponents do not enter the bidding.What contract do you want to be in? What is your auction? I'll let you know later what I perpetrated here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I want to be in 5♦. It goes p-1♦1♥-1♠2NT-3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 3NT by North: N - S1♣ - 1♦1♥ - 1♠1NT - 3NTAll pass That's right, I opened the North trash B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 1♣ - 1♠ (6-9 balanced or diamonds any strength)1NT - 2♠ (natural unbalanced GF)2NT - 3♣3♦ - 3♠ (cue 4153)4♣ - 4♦5♦ - p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I want to be in 4♠ because I like story hands. Actually, 4♠ is not that bad of a contract. On a bad day, both diamond honors are off-side, making 5♦ hopeless. In 4♠, however, I might easily survive this. If I guess spades right, and they split 4-3 as expected, I win eight black tricks and the diamond Ace. If the heart Ace is well-placed, that's trick #10. I mean, sure -- it's a bad contract and a goofy story, but "could be." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I want to be in 5♦ as well, but I'm sure I would be in 3NT. P - 1♦1♥ - 1♠2♣* - 2♦ *XYZ2NT - 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 depending on who partner is I would duplicate helene's or gnome's auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 pass-1♦1♥-1♠2NT-3♣3♦-3♠4♣-5♦ Raising 2NT to 3NT with the South hand is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 gnasher, may I ask why does north raise diamond when he has support for clubs and not for diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Or alternatively, how does North resolve whether south is 4=1=4=4, 4=0=5=4, or 4=1=5=3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 South bidding 3♣ over 2NT is of course the answer as long as it's understood this is forcing and not some 4054 minimum. That is really the only reasonable answer to the problem using standard methods IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 It hadn't occurred to me that 3♣ might be construed as weak. That doesn't strike me as a very good use of the bid. If 3♣ is natural and strong, I think it might be any of 4153, 4144, 4054 and 4063 - the key is that it highlights heart shortage. The route I suggested for North of 3♦ followed by 4♣ caters for all of these shapes. If North were to raise clubs immediately, I think it should show five of them. Where I come from, 3♣ might be treated as fourth-suit forcing, just showing enough for game with doubt about strain (and not three hearts, obviously). The auction would be much the same, though - once South bids 3♠, North knows that 3NT is unlikely to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I think 3NT(N) is a fine contract. In fact I prefer it to 5♦. To make 5♦, you basically need one of two diamond honors onside, which is 75%... although there is some chance to go down on a ruff if clubs are 5-1 or the like which brings it down a bit. To make 3NT(N), I'm cold on a heart lead (3♠, 1♥, 1♦, 4♣) or a spade lead (4♠, 1♦, 4♣). If opponents lead a minor, I can always play a spade to the ten and make if either my spade finesse wins, or if the heart ace is onside (75%, and I don't need to worry about "bad breaks"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 I think 3NT(N) is a fine contract. In fact I prefer it to 5♦. To make 5♦, you basically need one of two diamond honors onside, which is 75%... although there is some chance to go down on a ruff if clubs are 5-1 or the like which brings it down a bit. To make 3NT(N), I'm cold on a heart lead (3♠, 1♥, 1♦, 4♣) or a spade lead (4♠, 1♦, 4♣). If opponents lead a minor, I can always play a spade to the ten and make if either my spade finesse wins, or if the heart ace is onside (75%, and I don't need to worry about "bad breaks"). If they lead a diamond how do you play? (I'll grant it's unlikely though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 To make 3NT(N), I'm cold on a heart lead (3♠, 1♥, 1♦, 4♣) or a spade lead (4♠, 1♦, 4♣). If opponents lead a minor, I can always play a spade to the ten and make if either my spade finesse wins, or if the heart ace is onside (75%, and I don't need to worry about "bad breaks"). 3NT is better than that: even if ♥A and ♠10 are both wrong, you still make when both diamonds are onside, so it's about 81%. It would be nice to be able to cater for a singleton diamond honour offside as well, by cashing ♦A first, but I think the repeated club leads mess up your communications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 If they lead a diamond how do you play? (I'll grant it's unlikely though) You play the ace, then take a spade finesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 I hate to be boring, but this hand is a screaming advertisement for mini-NTs. South will relay out north's shape and put it in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 assuming Walsh style 2/1 where the diamond suit is often by passed: 1c=1d1nt(11-13)=2s(5d and 4s, gf)2nt=3c3d=4d 5d South may bid 4h (kickback) over 3d but still ends up in 5d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 IMO 3NT by North is WAY better than 5♦, for the reasons stated my (the other) Adam... It makes more often than 5♦... As Andy said: 81% or so, 5♦ is about 76%... So 3NT is better. Chances are the lead will give away a trick, if not, you still can find the Jxx♠, the A♥ onside or the KQ♦ onside. A low ♦ (a very unlikely lead) gives the most problem, but still pretty much the same chances :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 I hate to be boring, but this hand is a screaming advertisement for mini-NTs. South will relay out north's shape and put it in 3NT. Not to worry, you are not boring at all. I do think you are very wrong though, south will have NO IDEA where to place the contract after knowing north's shape. The only ones who will benefit from relaying opener's shape are the opponents. In general I think relaying the shape of a 1NT-opener is a winner on slam hands (especially grand-slam hands) and a loser on choice-of games hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 I hate to be boring, but this hand is a screaming advertisement for mini-NTs. South will relay out north's shape and put it in 3NT. So after relaying north's shape, how does south know that north does not hold: ♠QT♥6542♦KQ9♣AJ97 This also looks like a mini notrump (okay it's twelve, I was assuming some range like 10-12 or 11-13; if your range is 9-11 then change the ♠Q to jack). The thing is, opposite this hand 3NT can be defeated any time hearts break 5-3, whereas 6♦ is excellent (and of course 5♦ is ice cold). I think the key to the hand is south showing the heart shortness. However, with king-fourth I think north should bid 3NT anyway (reaching the superior game). I would bid something like: (standard methods)Pass - 1♦1♥ - 1♠2NT - 3♣ (natural, pattern)3NT - Pass (mini notrump)1NT (10-12) - 3♠! (4♠, 0-1♥, roughly equal length in the minors)3NT - Pass (precision)1♦! - 1♠1NT (11-13) - 3♦ (0-1♥, usually 4♠ only and a three-suited pattern)3NT - Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate22 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 p- p-1d p1h-p-1s-p2n/t-p-3n/t 9 tricks wanted as oppsed to 11 tricks in 5 diamonds regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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