gwnn Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s853ha74dt865caq3]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♣-(2♥)-?or1♣-(3♥)-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 2NT and pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Hi, #1 X. 2NT would be artificial for us, so it is out. You can either Pass, the conservative route, or make a t/o X. If you pass, you will have a reasonable chance, that you will get another chance to make bid, so on this ground Pass may be better #2 X Again, your choices are Pass or X. Contrary to #1, there is a reasonable chance that the hand will get pass out, if you pass, because most would need an opener with add. values to make a reopening (however you add. values define, and how much add. values) For Pass speaks, that you have a dead min. for the X, given your shape and your strength, maybe even sub min. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 2NT and dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 double and 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 2NT/3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 X(Leaving the most options open)/3NT(No choice... This is our best shot at any game and at IMPs that is important...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 2N and pass double is, imo, very bad. Yes, in a sense it 'leaves most options open', but consider poor old partner. What, really, are his options? This is not a hand that rates to play well in a moysian, and xxx with no ruffing values is not an ideal moysian dummy in the first place. So no number of spades by him leaves you well placed (are you going to bid 2N over 2♠? If so, how is that better than, or as good as, 2N now? If you are going to bid 3N over 3♠, how is that better than 2N now?) If he rebids 3♣ you have no idea whether 3N is good or not.... but had you bid 2N, he'd probably bid game with most hands where it is a good spot. There will be hands on which he has, for example, Qxx (or even Qx) and can play notrump. However, if he has a weak hand, 2N is probably the limit anyway, and if he has 18+, 3N probably makes from either side. On the second hand, passing may miss a game, but if partner can't reopen, he rates to have a balanced weak notrump, and 9 tricks may be impossible... bearing in mind that a vulnerable 3♥ may come with an entry.... plus where is our source of tricks? I'll bid 3N if partner reopens with a double, showing some extras.. he'll have a clue as to my hand type. A thought for those who chose 3N on the 2nd hand. If partner opened a weak notrump, would you bid or pass? I know that I and all my weak notrump partners would pass without a second thought. So why do you think that this is now worth 3N? It's not as if partner is barred by your pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 A thought for those who chose 3N on the 2nd hand. If partner opened a weak notrump, would you bid or pass? I know that I and all my weak notrump partners would pass without a second thought. So why do you think that this is now worth 3N? It's not as if partner is barred by your pass. I'm concerned about partner having a minimum with long clubs and Hx in hearts. He'll probably pass in this case since he won't think I have a penalty pass, and bidding will seem very dangerous. Meanwhile 3NT rates to make since the clubs rate to run. If you moved even one of my club honors to another suit, I would pass since now the clubs do not so strongly rate to run in 3NT. Furthermore, if RHO has solid hearts and no outside entry, we can completely eliminate him as a threat by holding up in the heart suit. I realize there's no guarantee of this, but isn't pass a little risky as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 A thought for those who chose 3N on the 2nd hand. If partner opened a weak notrump, would you bid or pass? I know that I and all my weak notrump partners would pass without a second thought. So why do you think that this is now worth 3N? It's not as if partner is barred by your pass. I'm concerned about partner having a minimum with long clubs and Hx in hearts. He'll probably pass in this case since he won't think I have a penalty pass, and bidding will seem very dangerous. Meanwhile 3NT rates to make since the clubs rate to run. If you moved even one of my club honors to another suit, I would pass since now the clubs do not so strongly rate to run in 3NT. Furthermore, if RHO has solid hearts and no outside entry, we can completely eliminate him as a threat by holding up in the heart suit. I realize there's no guarantee of this, but isn't pass a little risky as well?When you bid in order to cater to a specific holding, it is a good idea to do an informal reality check. What are the odds that partner has Kx in hearts? RHO is red, and we are looking at the Ace. Note that Hx is not enough to make 3N good... we need Kx.. because a vul. opp who bids 3♥ missing the AQ of his suit wil have an entry almost all the time. And we need to run 7 or 8 tricks once we win trick one. Of course, this is possible. Let me make a suggestion: do a simulation... run 100 hands on which you constrain partner to hold plausible hand types not including a strong 1N, and rho not to be suicidal, and then get back to us. Also, bear in mind that on a lot of the hands where we can make game, partner will reopen. I think it was hamman who immortalized the idea that 'don't play me for perfect cards.. I won't have them' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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